Reverse Funnel System - Scam?
243 words eaten alive on October 11, 2007 - Filed Under Business, Internet, Spam/Scam -
There’s so much hype about this new bullshit money making scam going around. I could be wrong on this but as far as I can see this is nothing more than a glorified pyramid scam. This time it’s all automated using web sites, no more calling people or having meetings to con people out of their hard earned money, just direct traffic to your website where they can read all about it. The people on top will make money while the people on bottom get shafted. There’s just no way every single person doing this can make money out of it.
The person who creates the scam is at the very top. The first person he cons into buying in pays him money and then goes out to convince other people to buy in and so on. A reverse funnel is an upside down funnel. What does an upside down funnel represent? That’s right, a pyramid, and last I heard, pyramid schemes are still illegal. Don’t waste your money people, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck… you get the picture. Until someone can prove to me otherwise, the Reverse Funnel System is something that should be avoided at all costs. I do find it worth mentioning however that a search on scambusters.org doesn’t find any results, could it be too new that people haven’t caught on yet?
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238 Responses to “Reverse Funnel System - Scam?”
You know what’s funny?
There are actually adsense ads on scambusters.org promoting the Reverse Funnel System.
This post is actually a Joke. You have 0 information. Absolutely none. You provide no data, you make bias conclusions based on your completely un represented opinions, and offer 0 value to anyone who is reading this. Just negativity.
If you want REAL DATA on the reverse funnel system then I recommend you watch THIS VIDEO that explains the metrix of the reverse funnel system. For those who don’t know what that means…it means the “DATA” that is collected from scientific measurement of the visitors and conversions on a website. The metrix is what enables professional business owners to make scientific conclusions about building a real business.
At the heart of the reverse funnel system it is about DATA. It’s an internet marketing based system designed to automate the sales process of a direct sales company.
it’s real, the product has Genuine value, and the people using this system are making REAL money.
Just because this system uses aggressive language and income claims means nothing about the legitimacy of this business or the people using it.
Hopefully many people will not be so foolish to accept blatant opinions based on no factual data, and will instead do a thorough investigation into what this system is for themselves.
All the best,
Jonathan Budd
Ooooh, look at that.. a video BY you, ABOUT you, going on and on about leads but without showing an actual product. What product? I’m in retail, not one of my distributors has charged me an application fee to do business with them. $50 just to sign up with you guys? Right. $50 without even being shown a product? Right.
Pyramid, plain and simple. The people on the bottom will have no one left to sell to. People WILL lose money at this.
What an interesting idea - to rename the pyrimid scheme to a ‘reverse funnel’ it almost gives the idea that the money will flow down… but really, it goes up to those at the top. I feel bad for the people that get involved in these tricks.
Aaaaahhhh… the beauty of Pyramid and MLM! Puleeze let us give credit to the father of it all… Mr. Charles Ponzi who started it all . Of course this is a scheme… of sorts- the RFS. I have not sent in my 50 dollars yet though. I wonder what I’ll get for 50 dollars besides an education in probability and logic. It’s easy to make the RFS legal… all you have to do is provide a service or product for the 50 dollars. This might be as simple as a Email list of persons who have responded to this style of advertising within the last week… there’s the product..BINGO–LEGAL !! Or how about Ty Coughlin suggesting how you might also design a plan similar to his? …There’s the service…BINGO-LEGAL!! Who cares if you just lost 50 dollars to a legal scheme…I don’t and neither should you now that you know how easy it is to make these schemes legal. P.T Barnam always said …”there’s a sucker born every minute.” Well… it’s true… somebody has to take care of all these suckers… Go get’em Ty !!!!!!! LMAO !!!!
I have been doing a lot of reading of late on how to supplement my retirement using the internet. I’ve read about affliliate programs in a lot of detail and now the RFS. I once lost 1K$ to a real (illegal) pyramid scheme a long time ago and I’ve never forgotten the experience. I am obviouly very skeptical. What I have seen, however, through many Google searches is that there is about a 10:1 ratio in favor of this “scheme.” That either means it is successful or the individual(s) at the top are really good marketeers. By the way, I love the upside down funnel/pyramid comparison. So I guess the jury is still out for me, but I haven’t spent my money as yet.
Thanks for the input Curtiss, I figure that RFS is just too new to have much bad publicity attached to it. Marketing plays a huge part of it too and when it comes to online advertising it’s easy to get your word out to a lot of people in a very short amount of time. Due to this it can take a while for the ‘real’ news to reach the top of the searches.
KUDOS. You are the first out of 40 pages that I found that had some negative feed on this system. BTW an English company has been creating the 15 minute, 15,000 word web site for 4 years now. They use syntax exchange and computer text changers to whip out Ad Sense pages in seconds. The Reverse Funnel guys should have got one. It’s the only way to clog out “ripoffreport” and the like in search engines. :-)
clapping for you.
Brian King
Anyone with HALF A BRAIN can find out every stinking thing there is to know about the reverse funnel system.
Only complete morons who co around touting everything as a scam sit back and say “SCAM” with NO EVIDENCE or proof what so ever. Just opinions like always.
Do your research people. The company on the back end of the reverse funnel system is called “Global Resorts Network”
They own a product that has been selling for 21 years all over the world for as much as $10,000 a pop.
It’s a luxury travel membership that gives you access to world class resorts and vacations for fractions of what most people would normally pay. Directly competes with time shares/condo’s
at 1/100 the price.
Real product. Real value. You take 4 vacations for the rest of your life and the thing paid for itself.
We sell it for $3k. That’s what RFS sells. You keep $1k commission out of that. Great comp plan, great product, NEW SYSTEM to sell it.
it’s no mystery most people CAN NOT SELL. Hence the reason RFS was created with it’s hypey yet effective web copy, and its mysterious system.
And by the way…do the math of the $50 application fee of ‘brilliant business one’ who started this nonsense about this system being a scam.
the real estate industry, tons of other industries ALL USE APPLICATION FEES MORON.
It separates REAL buyers from freebie seekers and tire kickers. It puts the prospect in mode that is READY to take action and makes sure we ONLY work with the best of the best who are qualified what we have to offer.
That’s the deal. And I’ve had 2 people on my front line start plugging into systematic marketing solutions, make sales today alone.
Tell me another home business where total newbies can make $1k-$4k a month their first month. Not to many out there.
Obviously not everyone is successful and there is NO BUSINESS where everyone always will be successful.
but real entrepreneurs who REALLY want to succeed will learn marketing and succeed in RFS 10x easier then most of what exists out there.
All the best,
Jonathan
Wow Jonny boy, look at you go! Getting pretty fired up are we? I don’t even feel like reading most of yer nonsense, got bored just skimming it over. You sure are getting worked up over your ‘SCAM!’ getting some bad publicity.
Calling me a moron sure isn’t the right way to convince me that what you’re doing is a good thing, or that I should consider taking down this post for that matter.
By the way, I didn’t quite start the nonsense although I think I was one of the first. There’s a ton of other posts similar to this one if you take your time to look around, and I know you do.
Cheers Jonny ;)
Who the heck is this Jonathan Budd? I see his name everywhere responding to people who bash the RFS. Maybe its Ty Coughlin in disguise. I don’t know about anyone else but it sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. eventually its going to run out and fizzle. People who got in first are the only ones who will make money duping other unsuspecting victims.
Johnathan is a reversefunnelsystemreview. So what I don’t understand is what are you selling in order to drive that traffic? Where does the money come from that you supposedly make?
hmmm. thats weird. now the big bad company’s website is unavailable. Seems pretty professional to me.
Jonathan Budd, of course, wants to promote the fast and easy buck methods.
I like how he introduces a new word in one of his ranting responses here. “Metrix”. I think he menas metrics, which is a set of measurements that define something. But metrix? Dang, he is so forward thinking that he has a new language!
“If you want REAL DATA on the reverse funnel system then I recommend you watch THIS VIDEO that explains the metrix of the reverse funnel system. ”
Also, if he is so professional, I do not think he woudl allow himself to get so emotional, and unprofessional, in his responses here. Class and character, if present, would not allow him to be dragged in to so much ranting.
Chris
Yeah it’s pretty bad when he resorts to name calling. I’m sure he’ll come back and say he’s just ‘passionate about this amazing program’. haha.. what a douche. He won’t be getting MY money at least.
Why are there teams? What is the purpose or significance in that?
well, i don’t know if it’s a scam or not, but you need to pay alot more than 50$.50$ is to show you some cute pictures with men and cars,starving families,some videos and at the bottom there is another “checkout” field where you need to pay them $2900 to access their system. So, I guess the $50 are to make you believe you started and then try to convince you need to be a PLATINUM whateva :)
The Reverse Funnel System is a scam. The reason people don’t have “all the facts” is because the company does not offer them. They make you pay $50 to even look at what they do. No reputable business would do that. The $50 is to enrich the perpetrators of the Reverse Funnel Scam. It’s just that simple. The Reverse Funnel System sucks.
All the good publicity on search engines has been generated by people who have something to gain by promoting it. Notice that if you search Google, YouTube, etc, for “reverse funnel system sucks” or “reverse funnel system scam”, they use those keywords to actually say good things about their scam, such as: “Is the Reverse Funnel System a scam?” “Reverse Funnel System - Scam?” “One might think that the Reverse Funnel System is a scam, but . . .”
They always throw in the word sucks to describe the payment scheme of some other pyramid. Google it to find the same things reposted on hundreds of sites.
And “Jonathan Budd” calls us idiots like we are a bunch of newbies who haven’t seen anything. I was around when make.money.fast started on BBSes and Usenet.
Reverse Funnel System is not a scam. Why? Because it sells really product - Global Resorts Network, and this system only help to promote more this GRN product, its legal system, u dont buy fictional product.
Hello!
I’ve been researching on RFS. One thing I can say is that whoever conceptualized the system is just plain brilliant (and I don’t believe this Ty Coughlin did it all by himself).
Don’t get me wrong, I am not into this. I am just a newbie. But the buzz that RFS created is something which cannot be ignored. It’s the art of Marketing. Sure, it may fizzle out one day and die out or it may be replaced by another system. Perhaps the inverse kettle or whatever. What I am driving at is, this system shows how strong the power of Marketing really is.
It is illegal until the ones who are ought to say it is, do so. Until then, it’s just plain marketing strategy.
Scam or not, still they are opinions. Does RFS makes money? I think so. Do I have to pay $50 for RFS? I think I’ll design my own system in due time.
Have a great day!
Don Valenzuela
Why it IS a scam:
They ask for your money in advance without telling you what the business is. That is called the “advance fee scam” (google it). Regardless of whether or not the underlying business is a legal enterprise, it does not justify the fact that people are being deceived and losing money as a result. The money lost enriches the perpetrators of the scheme.
The “buzz” is known as “search engine optimization” or SEO (google it). They even say on the introductory pages (before you have to fork over $50 to see what the business really is) that you must “Place the ads where you are directed to place them”. That means, flood the Internet with positive messages about the system. Then, when people do web searches, they will be directed to rave reviews of it. These reviews are not independent! They are all by people who have something to gain by promoting the system.
As for the product, it is hard to say if it has value, because the people promoting it have something to gain by saying good things about it. They are not independent reviews. There are many pyramid schemes that use products to remain “barely legal.”
In the finer details of the Material, there are claims that I can get $1,000 per sale, (from those sales I “make”), which is conditional and based solely upon whether or not I actually make the sale. And $1,000 from every sale by a person I bring in. A potential of $2,000 per sale “If” each sale also includes a new member.
Doesn’t that mean that every sale has an equally likely potential of sucking $2,000 out of someone who is expecting a return on the money spent for what ever is being sold?
And there simply isn’t enough money in the world for everybody that signs up to make the amounts claimed.
As far as being legal or illegal is concerned. If You tell me you will let me know how to make money just by asking for the amount you want, and all it will cost me is $20, and I hand you a $20 dollar bill, and you say, “now wasn’t that easy to learn?” I’m out 20 dollars, but what you did was perfectly legal. You promised to let me know how to make money by asking for it, and all it would cost me is $20. After I paid you the $20, you let me know it was as easy as what you did to get $20 from me. You provided a service for a fee. Legal.
Ethical? No.
Legal? Yes.
The legal wording is not required so long as the intent is clear. Or so I’ve been told. (free consultation from Morgan & Morgan)
Reverse Funnel System is amazing marketing system that really works. It brings me many money and also other people in inner circle team/
Hello everyone…I must admit I too got sucked into the RFS hype. I will not call it a scam but pretty darn close. The product, GRN is amazing and very superior in service and quality. The compensation plan allows affiliates to earn 500-1000 commissions off of front line sales and qualifying team sales till infinity.
I was in the RFS for 2 months and spent about 8k total, probably a little more….and what do you think I got out of it? Creditors calling me because I have no $$$$ left to pay my bills.
I was sure a sucker….although I only think this experience has made me much stronger and better leader. I will continue to market GRN both directly and as an opportunity but I wont’ be using the RFS.
Yes…there are many people in the RFS who are making money…but there are twice as many who havent made a dime.
All they want you to do is buy leads from their sources and half the time the system doesn’t work properly. Instances of emails not being sent and even links being redirected to other members. Yes…thats very tricky huh, “place your banner here you silly fool while we recode to someone elses page”
Not me….no more I am done.
I think Jonathan Budd’s estimates are a little shady.. On one of his sites he advertises reaching “1 trillion internet users”!! At last count, that’s roughly 150 times the entire earth’s population!
haha, wow, look at me! Like a little celebrity and shit.
Hey Shawn, where do I advertise reaching 1 trillion internet users bro? I can’t remember ever putting that anywhere considering there aren’t that many people in the world by a long shot boss.
Sounds a little silly, so if you could please show me where you found that I would greatly appreciate it.
As for rfs, man, we have been having this conversation for a little while. I really do feel bad for people who aren’t having success.
The system clearly has strengths and weakenesses.
One of its major weaknesses is the fact that it is expensive to learn marketing on.
And bottom line, if you don’t know how to market then you arent’ going to make any money.
The RFS is dead real estate without traffic flowing through, and targeted traffic at that. Not junk traffic which doesn’t convert.
Its unfortunate that many people who aren’t REALLY cut out to be entrepreneurs get sucked in to the “get rich quick” mentality.
Yea, I saw RFS. Did I believe I was going to get rich quick? Hell no. I’m not dumb!!!
I approach every business like an entrepreneur. I look at the DATA. I look at
1. price point.
2. product.
3. Compensation plan.
4. Marketing System.
I look at the data and make scientific conclusions based on whether or not the traffic I send is going to be worth while.
RFS is promoting a real product, has real value, I’m cool with that.
The system clearly converts, so it was a business “go” in all forms to promote it.
That’s how I think.
I don’t think I’m going to get rich quick overnight because some beach bum is telling me I am.
But many people might actually believe that, and then when they find out…”WHOA!!!, you mean I actually have to work?”
“You mean I actually have to develop real skills as a marketer, and entrepreneur, and understand how to build businesses on the internet?”
“THIS IS A GODDAMN SCAM!!”
LOL!!! Cracks me up everytime.
The scam is the fact that 95% of the people have
a “business opportunity seeker Get rich quick” attitude.
They don’t approach business ventures as entrepreneurs.
All you need to look at in this industry is
1. price point.
2. product
3. comp plan
4. marketing system
If you don’t like ANY of those things…then DO NOT DO THE BUSINESS!!
The business isn’t for you. You should go find something else you like to do.
But if you look at those things, and you LIKE them, and make a choice to join the business because you liked those 4 factors…then who the hell do you have to blame for your failure?
Failure is a pure result of lack of knowledge on how to advertise your business to targeted markets.
Entrepreneurship 101
Yet most people are not entrepreneurs. And they fail, because they haven’t developed skills and abilities needed to succeed.
It’s REALLY THAT SIMPLE.
No matter what business. A friggin restraunt, or an online business opportunity, whatever.
Anyways, RFS has its weaknesses.
The system should be way cheaper, and they should have real teachers teaching the whole company how to market and advertise rather then just those shitty calls teaching people how to place ads with their database.
If I owned the system, you bet your ass it would be much different. I’ve tried to have numerous conversations with creators about this to no avail.
But at the end of the day, they have still created the highest converting system in internet marketing history. And like it or not…there are MORE PEOPLE, newbies alike, who are creating any amount of success in RFS then any other business we’ve ever seen period.
Case in point, this is my BACK OFFICE. Look at my team sales for yourself…
And since this time, my team has closed another 20 sales.
So the damn thing works, and its working for more people then just about any other system ever has.
it just sucks it won’t work for everybody. But last time I checked…THAT’S LIFE!
Business ain’t no breeze. Its competitive, and the best survive. Just that simple…
I will continue to harass creators to lower price, but if not, ill continue to work harder to find solutions for my group to get them solid real traffic so they can see real results.
In fact, its ridiculous whats possible with this compared to other systems.
If only it was cheaper!! And we had more time to teach our team how to market…then no one would be getting hurt and everyone would be getting tons of value.
Alas, it aint my system. So I just do the best with what I have.
All the best,
Jonathan
FINALLY! Thank you Jonathan, for finally talking like a human being about this system. Thanks for the honestly, this is what people need to hear. They don’t need to hear about how it’s a fully automated website that will funnel thousands and thousands of dollars into their bank account for absolutely no effort. They need to know that there is no such thing as free money.
I don’t necessarily believe in everything you’re saying about RFS, but this is a step in the right direction.
Hey man,
I try to be for real bro. The fact of the matter is, being an entrepreneur isn’t easy.
This is no ‘pie in the sky’ money falling into your lap for nothing.
It just aint the case. The system does use hypey sales copy to get people going and emotional and I have no problem with that because if they didn’t then the damn thing wouldn’t WORK and no one would be making any money.
But as it is now…it allows REAL ENTREPRENEURS who apply real marketing and advertising skills to their business to make autopilot sales on high ticket item.
And that’s pretty damn cool, regardless of what anyone says. It’s really cool…
I’ve never seen a human being sell an item like this at the conversion rate it does…so its cool…but people can’t get delusioned.
They have to stay focused and realize its a real business, and your success will come down to how well you market and advertise.
pretty much that simple!
Best of luck to everyone…
Jonathan
In response to Jonathan about Global Resorts Network there has been a complaint that has been filed:
Vacation Network Inc, aka: the Vacation Network Advertising Corporation, aka: Global Resort Services, aka Reverse Funnel System = SCAM
Let me clarify what a reverse funnel system is. Normally in a business, you must call every lead you gnerate and quality them - ask questions to see if they are serious, make sure you want to work with them, etc…
So its like a regular funnel, you have tons of leads at the top, and only the good serious prospects come out the other end.
A Reverse funnel is just a fancy way of saying that the website and 50 dollar application fee does that filtering for you - because someone who isnt serious about starting a business will never plop down 50 bucks for information. Someone who is dead serious, will.
That being said, I still think its a scam.
this is a scam.
No product, no service, no value.
There has been something mentioned a few times that I want to mention again because something has happened amongst all the buzz of the Reverse Funnel System. What has happened is that so many people have either been led to believe or have not been led to realize that there is a very real and legitimate product that the Reverse Funnel System has come along and screwed up. The product is a membership in Global Resorts Network. The Reverse Funnel System and Global Resorts Network are no more the same than you and I. They are two completely seperate entities that got mixed in together. I would be willing to bet (and sure excited to see) that Global Resorts Network will one day denounce the Reverse Funnel System. Maybe they can’t do that, but if they can, I bet they will. Anyone who is doing their homework about either the Reverse Funnel System or Global Resorts Network…please understand that there are many better ways to market Global Resorts Network that through the Reverse Funnel System. Please send me an e-mail at or visit my website at to learn the truth about Global Resorts Network. Thank You and Good Luck!
Anything with that many people on board is a boom about to go bust. The top guys will make out as always. Good luck to the rest of those clowns.
This is obviously a scam. How can people be so stupid to fall for it? On the other hand, I hear that Nigerian Bank Offer is legit…
Has anyone bothered to have a look at the Corporate structure? Or perhaps the structure of government?
Are they not the shape of a pyramid?
Last I heard chain letters were illegal because there is no exchange of product or service. However you can go to University and study the business models that are fair and being utilised by most major Corporations these days and you will find Network Marketing, Direct Selling and Referral Selling as the New Economy.
Stay up to date people, and take a positive outlook on life. Best wishes to all those marketing GRN via the RFS.
i think jonathon is a newbie in the field and is in some serious need of some downline support/money-i have noticed the pressure mounting in defense to something he probably sunk his 50 bux into and is not seeing enough of…if you notice the once professional conversation has now turned into slinging insults of your education…is this what they call: teapot calling the kettle black??? i have watched the video of the funnel being turned upside down it was real informative…i didn’t know the funnel could be turned upside down…but wait theres more…. i will blindly go to the store and give the cashier 50$ for a brown paper bag filled with a guide on how to shop at her store. then i will be led to another store where i can purchase a product for more money that i probably can’t afford and i will learn more about nothing and hopefully get enough stupid people to do the same thing. and of course there is nothing bad to say about it they have flooded the search engines with so much crap nothing good can get thru…congrats on trying to open peoples eyes with a dollop of logic
One of my major beefs with this system is that they market it as being completely automated and claim that the website they provide will do all the work for you. Then as Jonathan said back in early December, that is simply not the case. Like any business you have to work hard at it.
Unfortunately, most people buy into this because they think it will be easy money and then later they find out they actually have to work hard, and in a lot of cases they just can’t or won’t do it, even though they’ve already blown the money.
If something sounds too good to be true,
BEWARE. A sucker is born every minute.
As one gentleman said, I’m also looking for a part-time home business opportunity for when I retire. I saw the advertisement and started to do my homework. I’ve been burned twice and one recently with a timeshare, so I’m ecstatic about reading this information and finding other complaints on the RFS. I’ve never believed in the “get-rich quick” schemes because I understand to be rich and successful does entail hard work. Folks please do your homework and be thorough. We work way too hard to give our money away for free.
Answer this ONE QUESTION:
What are you selling?
Thanks
Yeah, I’d like to know that one too: “What are [they] selling?”
Moreover, I’m surprised no one made mention about that $300 MONTHLY service fee, just to have that funnel thing stuffed up your ass, so you can use it.
Here’s a quote from that shit-hole site:
“What Does It Take To Get Started?
…What’s your investment for all this?
…investment of just $50.00.
…You will be able to utilize this powerhouse system for only $299.00 per month. All YOU have to do is implement my System, and you could recoup your investment in as little 24 hours, every month after, the system will pay for it self.”
Something else I’ve noticed gives me pause: “…will pay for it self.” Isn’t that one of those bullshit lines that timeshare con-artists use to make a sale?
Hmmm… seems a little messed…or maybe a lot messed.
I’m an entrepreneur, and I majored in Business Administration and Minored in Business Management, and if I’m gonna get involved in any joint venture with anyone, I need to know at least three things: what’s the product/service, what’s in it for me, and what’s in it for you.
Ty tried to guess-timate the “what’s in it for me” part with lofty claims of “1K-3K a day,” but didn’t provide any information on the product, nor anything else on what’s in it for him (besides the $50 initial + the $300 MSF).
So yeah…from a business perspective, it’s a “no go.” I only enter into a business opportunity when the environmental forces have been clearly defined, and there is sufficient information to analyze a prospectus with Porter’s Five-forces Model.
But if anyone can provide all the requisite industry and environmental information, maybe I’ll reconsider, but, for now, I’m with the general consensus that this seems to be scam.
It’s a complete scam. I speak from experience. I bought in, dropped probably $8k, got 17 paid $50 leads in maybe 5 or 6 weeks but none of them came through except 1, then I found out you don’t get paid on your first one because it qualifies your downline, though the video explicitly says that if you buy the platinum package, which I did, then you automatically qualify your tier 1, but this wasn’t the case. Anyway, to make a long story short, these guys won’t allow anything “negative” on the phone calls, they’re all a bunch of law-of-attraction marketers spewing from the empty into the void, not acknowledging the fact that they’re profiting off of other’s naivete. I got burned but I learned a good lesson — I will never do anything like this again. Fuck the RFS. I worked 60 hrs. a week and I know a bit about internet marketing, as I did it professionally for the last 2 years for an upright organization in SF, so they’re full of shit, and I hope they come crashing down forever.
I read through all of your comments and opinions, and i havent pin pointed any real evidence. i checked out the site, then checked the reviews, then asked marketing affiliates and then actual marketing companies. even the owner of starsky energy of oklahoma. he uses it and earsn over 25,000 in extra money. i know and dont’ want to hear you winey stuff, i wont really care, but most of you make your claims and havent even tried it, let alone study the rfs thouroughly. i did, bout it and i make more thtan 35,000 dollars a month. and i’m only 18. for every program out there, there is always people like you who complain about it. and i know why, it just didn’t work for you because you expected fast rich money, which is not true, unless you win the lottery. things take time, patience is a virtue, use it, don’t abuse it. and don’t be jealous that i make more money than you, because i don’t waste my time complaining, i use my time to make money, shit, by the time i’m thirty, i probably will have make more money that your entire family tree. but like i said, until you give it time to work then don’t be a douche bag and create a blog website like this to bitch about your failure. ty coughlin says you can make a whole lot of money, but i knew that part not to be true. you may not make 100,000 in 3 months, but probably, and most prominent, 15 thousand or more a month. now tell me, all the the people who are really trying to get by in life on paycheck to paycheck, would 15 thousand a month be better than what you make? so stop bitching and take in the fact that just because you arent make the money he says you will, you will still make enough money to probably quit your job and finally enjoy your life. i am, and i have never gotten a job, just the rfs, yeah, i’m the most popular man in school. that was too all you bitching nerds and asshole who have nothing to do but complain. espicially this gatorbyte, your probalby a nerd who jerks off to roadhouse every night. but don’t always take things for granted, this rfs system really works, and i’m a paying member who is really sucessful at it. and i enjoy my life with my 1977 smokey and the bandit trans am. so go and do it, you will be glad you did.
P.S. Gatorbyte, pleas get a life and try the rfs, i don’t mean to be so mean to you, but i know you havent tried it because you complaing about it. it works, you just need to try kiddo.
oh yeah, the rfs sells timeshares for real estate, and luxery get aways. so theres you product, so no more “what am i selling.”
If the only success in your life, is about money,then go for it!!! My success in life, is about looking forward to go to work, and knowing that what i do is for real. In the end, it`s people like the guys at rfs that breakes down the society withinn. And for you chris, ifeel sorry for you man.
I have loved this. I wonder why so much controversy. It is a RIP OFF, a robery, full stop. the guys involved should be jailed for deception.
@chris: You want to know why I don’t believe a word you say? Because successful businessmen know how to capitalise the “I” when using it to refer to themselves. If you can’t even do that much, then your resume is straight in the bin.
@Jeremy: Feel free to pay ME $50 for membership into whatever you like. Hell, I’ll even create a me fan club, just for you to join. Provided you pay me the $50 up front. Moral of the lesson: membership to anything is only worth something if it generates money in return. Otherwise it’s an empty title.
@Jonathan: Well, I did watch some of your youtube stuff, and wondered what you were taking when you were recording it. All the “this is cool” comments… And for all those “sales” that people closed, I saw no proof that anyone actually did anything. ‘What you guys are gonna see is truly impressive’ - well, I wasn’t impressed. A few hyperlinks to a few figures. No proof that anyone made any money. And what’s with the ‘duplicate’ and ’stars’ references?
Most amusing of all, the very first video in this thread that you talk about, has actually been REMOVED from YouTube as a terms of use violation. “Look at my team sales for yourself” you cry, but oops, that video too has been removed due to violating the terms of use.
When Google finally catch up to the scam and block the use of its keywords through adsense, “Reverse Funnel System” will vanish overnight, and those who are still paying in - well, their money will vanish too.
It’s a pyramid scheme. A Ponzi. Pure and simple. Don’t get taken for a fool. Steer clear.
I did a search on “reverse funnel system” on Google… And what I found amusing was that the first whole page or so of entries were all “shills” for them. They used several different domains to create “review” sites that give an opinion on the RFS and they always conclude (quite objectively!) that the RFS is wonderful and you should try it! And several of the sites used the same cut and paste text. If that doesn’t scream scam I don’t know what does. Trying to block as many of the sites with actual opinions as possible with their own BS ones. Hilarious.
Yes the Reverse Funnel is system is more hype than results for most people. But the product they market, the Global Resorts Network product is actually a great product backed by a 22 year old timeshare company. The product itself will save you tens of thousands over a lifetime if you are into week long stays at 4 star timeshares around the world.
I use a different system that finds people who have a long list of customers who might be interested in this product and I introduce it thatway. I have a great team and great mentorship. This allows us to be very successful with Global Resorts Network.
The Reverse Funnel System will soon be adding other income streams to it, but I am happy marketing this product to end use customers who will use it and not have to for over $5-30k for a timeshare.
If you are interested in being with a team of leaders who market the product and not some hype system let me know. All the best in 2008.
Chris
Who knows. I’m on the outside looking in. Every single person can’t be having great success in this or any other business. Some will always fail - it happens everywhere (even in Corporate America where you can lose your job through no fault of your own - downsizing). So all these people should realize that BEFORE getting started. So what someone would want to know is what does it take to actually succeed in this business (probably a lot of hard work). If that scares anybody or makes them mad, they need to find a nice job working for someone else. Every business requires hard work. The RFS people do hype a lot, but I haven’t seen many sales campaigns that don’t do some sort of sensationalizing. The internet is full of that. Even the creator of this site is using negative publicity to promote it by letting people bash RFS here. But I don’t see anything wrong with that. It’s done all the time. Anything that has positive press (regardless of how that press got there) can be reverse promoted, made fun of, or bashed to promote something else. Tabloids do it all the time.
And certainly, people shouldn’t decide that RFS (or any business) is a scam just because there were some additional costs or things didn’t happen the way they were advertised. Have you ever dealt with a car salesman? They’re not going to jail or going out of business (in general). The advertisement is only one possible outcome that you might have (however unlikely it may be).
From what I’ve read, there is a product through Global Resorts Network - and they’re real enough if you look them up. That’s what they’re selling (along with “The Dream”).
There is no such thing as get-rich-quick. No business should imply that and even if they do (because a lot programs out there talk about people having fast results) don’t get mad. They are probably trying to hype up their isolated, individual success stories. We see that all over the web and the TV infomercials with a little disclaimer underneath. Check yourself if you expected to “automatically” have those results. The real question is HOW MANY of those TRUE isolated success stories are there. If there are much more than other programs then that’s a plus. I don’t care if there are far more that fail than succeed. Most businesses are like that - especially small businesses. How can I be one of those that succeed is what I want to know. Again, most likely hard-work is the answer along with persistence. Many people succeed only after many failed attempts. RFS probably is no different in that it sounds like you have to locate a lot of people to find the few that will really hang in there, in spite of all the costs.
And to that 18 year old kid who says he’s making a lot of money in RFS: if you are making that kind of money, you can misspell and not capitalize as many words as you want to as far as I’m concerned. Who cares? You certainly weren’t writing a resume for a J-O-B if you have that sort of money. There are enough multi-millionaires out there who never went to college (or finished high school) and can’t write worth a darn. Heck, you are probably writing the way you kids send text messages anyway.
Ok, so now to all those that support RFS:
If you’re dealing with GRN then you’re doing network marketing (hold on - nothing wrong with that - that form of marketing is legit). Maybe you have a new spin on things to increase the odds of success (only 3% in network marketing or MLM ever make any profit from what I’ve read) but still the failures will still far outweigh the success stories. That’s usually due to a combination of people not willing to work for themselves as hard as they would for someone else (giving up) and the company treating its sales force unfairly in some way or not training them properly to successfully market. Usually the person’s sponsor or local group handles most of the training and none of them really know what they’re doing except repeating what was told to them. Now I know you have training calls and I have snuck in on a few because yes, I paid the $50 to check you out. It was worth $50 to find out if RFS was for me or not. Anyone reading this who complains about the $50 is proving the weed out argument. Complainers usually don’t succeed . . . in anything. I did hesitate, but in the end knowing if the whole thing was for me was worth $50. $2995 and all the other costs is a different story. I was pleased however, to find out that $35 of the $50 goes back to whoever the rep was that hosted the site I paid the $50 on. The calls I attended at first were geared towards getting those who paid the $50 off the fence - one way or the other. The hype seemed to stop here. I did like that. And they opened the calls up for questions for 45 minutes of the hour the call lasted. After a few calls I was able to get the times of training calls for the members since they annouced when they would be. I listened to a training and again, no hype. It was straight forward and the frequency of those call during the week seemed to be enough to help anyone at least get started. But not enough to really succeed. The training was done well but it seemed to general. I haven’t seen your platform because I’m not in, so I know I didn’t see everything everybody else saw who following along with the trainer on their computer in their back office and ad console. Of course there were those on the call who hadn’t made any money yet and those that had - that was to be expected. From what I could gather, the greater chance for success lies in the additional training help you can get from your team leaders that are documented as profitable. A lot of the “heavy-hitters” were said to be having their own training calls and materials exclusively for their downlines. I got some e-mails inviting me to some of those. There does seem to be a schedule of other calls for motivation, tax help, etc. and what ever other resources that are available in the back office. So does RFS give a person at least the chance to succeed if they got in now, worked at it more than 2 months and didn’t quit? I don’t know. As much as I searched for a reason to definitely not do it (as far as whether it was something I would do myself - not if YOU would personally do it but if I WOULD DO IT), I couldn’t. But it doesn’t leave me with that “This is IT!” feeling either. So I don’t know. You’re talking a lot of money for the average guy here. So I want to be sure - for me - not anyone else. And that comment made in an ealier post about the system awarding some prospects that paid to the wrong reps scared me. Especially since it was implied that it was done intentionally. I try to pull the facts out of all the opinions I see and size them up for myself. I don’t care who is bashing, who has got in and failed, who is kissing its butt, or who has succeeded. All the programs out there claim to have “the ANSWER”, but who really does? Me. I do - at least for myself. And you do too - for yourself. So I’m listening to a few more calls, reading, and getting some more facts. I personally know people who have paid a lot more than $2995 to get into something like this on the internet and have made a lasting profit. I know a whole lot more that lost their shirts. It’s cold where I live right now. I need my shirt. But I wouldn’t mind getting a whole wardrobe to go with it. So I’m still researching.
hey PJ…and all the rest of you.
I have purchased into the reverse funnel system and this is my take on it.
- true, not everybody can make money. that does not prove that it’s a scam, that just proves, that it’s a business. on most sales-tracks it’s like that, the 80/20 rule applies.
- someone who does not have 5 grand comfortably lying around, should simply wait. no reason going into this with feelings of anxietey. this is not going anywhere soon. and for the sceptics, remember there will be 6 more streams of incomes soon. the resort membership is just the first one.
- the picture of the reverse funnel is more a word picture. it means to say that most prospects won’t even see what it’s about cuz they are generally sceptical anyway, noone will persuade them. it wouldn’t occur to them to pay 50 bucks, so don’t even bother. yes, it is ironic that it looks like a pyramid when portrayed the way it has been drawn here.
- consider this: this is not for everyone and 3-5 grand may be a lot of money. however, so is 250 k for a mc donald’s franchise.
- the ones that make money are NOT necessarily the ones at the top. everybody is the top from their own perspective, and everybody is certainly from his own perspective the head of something that would look possibly like a pyramid. NOW, my friends, we must decide one thing, though. is it the WORD pyramid that bothers us or is it a pyramid scam and schmeme, that we are having issues with? for that….I am lacking the energy here. figure it out for yourself, go to wikipedia.com etc, then decide for yourself. but ask yourself how many things in real life you can come up with where one is the real thing and one is the fake, one thing is used for the good, while someone else uses the same thing for the bad, and so on.
- satuaration: nobody can forsee the future, but we can educate ourselves. goto
vacation ownership generates billons and billions and billions and billions of dollars every year and has been around for 40 years. it’s not going to happen, guys. not any time soon.
- also consider in this context, that the RFS is also selling a business-idea AND that it sells on greed. ok, complain about it, but what works on me and you will work on countless others. it is the selling that is so good here.
once you pay your 50 bucks, you will see what I mean. If you found the beach bum a bit funny, you will be tingling with excitement, cuz after the 50 bucks…man, coughlin puts on one hell of a sales-pitch. they show the compensation plan and all that.
you may want to move around the following questions in your minds. I am not saying I am having the answers, I am just saying I am asking myself as well.
Some products saturate at some point. Example: nokia handies.
Some don’t. Mc Donald’s. And food in general. This is quite obvious, people always need food.
Now: Timeshare.
Shoes.
Dive Classes.
etc. all kinda don’t, or at least hardly. Why is that? Could it be cuz there is always more people being born that represent the new market for these products? Analyse it, at the end the choice is yours. Yes, it will take a lot of effort, but yes, the rewards can at least be staggering, cuz the market for greed….which is the product we are ultemately talking about here….will not. If you go for it, go for it.
If you don’t, risk something at some point. Wherever you are, whatever you do.
Mark
I’d love to have you on my team. It’ll be a rocky road, committed individuals only.
You know, Idiots who say something can not be done should not interrupt those who are doing it. I wonder if Rich Devos and Jay VanAndle’s heirs are mad because they did not give up on Amway/Quixtar (that has made them Billionaires) said it would not work. You know there are 3 kinds of people in this world. 1. People that make things happen. 2. People that watch things happen. 3. People that wonder what happened. You have just told us which kind of person you are. Oh by the way I am not even in RFS yet, but being a person that makes things happen I think I will join. Maybe I will even come back in 30 to 60 days and let you know how it is going.
Blessings to All
This is so obvious. “The $50.00 to find out what the product is” is the SCAM. How many $50.00 do they get ??? This is what they are all about. The rest is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention fron their real intention, AND THATS TO GET YOUR $50.00. I think anyone with legal knowledge will point out that it’s the $50.00 that is ILLEGAL, not the RFS.
Do the math:-
100,000 x $50 = $5,000,000
200,000 x $50 = $10,000,000
500,000 x $50 = $25,000,000
1,000,000 x $50 = $50,000,000
Think this is impossible???? How many people do you think have joined Amway and the like, over time ?
They have only a passing interest in the rest of their RFS scheme.
Hey, I have read SOOOOO much in doing my due diligence for RFS…
Phong K: To set the record straight before you go destroying hard earned reps, you need to reread the info on the link you provided…there is infact NO complaint on this site lodged against Global Resorts Network it IS in point of accurate fact sending out a fraud alert against Global Resort SERVICES not an a.k.a. for GRN nor for RFS. Reps are very hard to earn and just such irresponsible negative word of mouth accusations can and has meant death for many a business. Try having your own.
As for the rest of you…
Jonathan I give you kudos on your tenacity for your belief in RFS and you need that in ANY venture you sink yourself into. I have read your comments on EVERY site where there is negativity towards RFS-chill man! There may not be close to atrillion people in this world but it is sure you will get your piece of this pie. You do not have to be a one man army waging war in defense of RFS. Through the ages, there have ALWAYS been disbelievers and synics about EVERYTHING…look at God-need I say more(and no lets not turn this into a God issue just an example of an age-old battle of creationism verus evalution)-there always will be. We as a supposed intelligent lifeform have the ability and gift of freedom of choice and thinking. So just accept it and focus on the positives of your laser accuracy.
As for the rest- I see plenty of sceptics due to personal life disappointments or those of close loved ones. No one really is right in this -it works for some and it doesn’t for others. It is what you make of it right…I think thats what I was raised with. We have SO MANY choices in life(too many I fear, its getting awfully cluttered in the grocery stores now and have you noticed when you finally find something you love they NEVER have it,huh solve that one)which only goes to show we are as different and diverse as our choices. We don’t all like the same things nor do we all fit into the same niches. So why try forcing a square in a circle just find what works with and for you.
Yeah, I have been scammed and there is a legitimate need for the “watchdogs” we have, but so far there is no conclusive evidence its a scam and by the way NOT ALL MLM’s were scams-Mary Kay, Melaleuca-great products and people have and still are making good money in them.
Keep an eye on them and don’t be so jealous either. There are obviously enough people making great money off RFS NOT just Ty and The Inner Circle or there would be many many more negs on the net. The figures collectively show that there is alot of financial activity and yet not very many complaints in the scheme of it..and yes I think over 6mths is plenty of time for the proverbial “shit” to be rising to the top or sinking to the bottom whichever the case may be.
We have all been scammed at some point in our lives and having owned my own businesses anything worth having takes time energy effort and patience=hard work, perserverance, education, and diligence-oh and I forgot MONEY and usually lots of it. I have a friend in RFS have seen the checks myself so it is real and I am not in it as of yet…doing my due diligence too but I would really appreciate FACTS not opinions or “what I sumize or assume to be true” I want first hand facts and details so I can make an educated not an emotional decision. Just like statistics aren’t necessarily a true disection of something there are so many variables you’d almost have to interview people personally on both sides to work it out.
I want to succeed. I am a single mom of 5 and I need to succeed! I need the opportunity and chance to change our path…as with each of us we want to be able to give to our families every opportunity they deserve the chance at. So please shut the proverbial debating up and GIVE ME PROOF!!!!!Contact me at if you have any real info for me.
Oh and Jerry I’m inclined to agree and “see YOU on the otherside” too
well i would like to thank everyone for there individual opinions on this, i stumbled cross it the other day and decided to do some research, i understand the fundamentals, but for me i dont have the time to do it, which it was nice to see jonathan stressing that it does require your time and effort
This is a Must READ!
I have owned and operated a successful real estate investment company in the Chicago area for the past 10 years. During that time we did really well. However as an investor you speculate and make moves in the market. On one of our largest speculative projects, the local real estate market crashed (reversed) and I lost about everything that I ever saved. I have made a lot of dollars, and then lost them.
In October of last year while surfing the internet, I came across the RFS System. Due to my immediate need for cash, the pay plan and the RFS claims ALL found my gullible spot. From October 22nd through today (Feb 02, 2008), I have spent 10 plus hours, 7 days a week placing free ads and paid ads where the gurus “Say to do it”. I have invested my last $9,000 trying to achieve the sales claims that RFS presents. Every Friday morning I would listen to the call where some reps would say on air that they are making $60k + per month. Again, it would hook the anchor in and I would get in a frenzy putting more ads out that ever before. I have had over 13,000 people visit my site, and I have had over 1300 people opt in for more information. Four months and my last $9,000 and I still have yet to get the first sale! CAUTION … WATCH OUT … BE CAREFUL! My Sponsor told me that he was making $1,000 for every 130 people who opted in. Based on his ratios, about 13 people would have bought the product. But none have.
Perhaps I didnt market to the “right” place, perhaps it was a stroke of bad luck, or perhaps as the previous post above have stated, “most people won’t make money with this”. In closing I would like to EXPOSE this! My opinion of Global Resorts Network as a company is very high. The Luxury Travel Membership that they offer is highly respected. And as many of you know, the “product” behind the Reverse Funnel System is indeed the Luxury Travel Membership from GRN. The past couple of weeks I have found out some interesting information that I would like to share with you. If you would like the opportunity to sell the exact same Luxury Travel Membership with the exact same pay plan (after your activating sale), through Global Resorts Network, you can get set up for free. You dont even have to buy the travel membership to become an affiliate. The one thing that Global Resorts does require is that you use their presentation web site which cost about $8 per month ($100 bucks per year). There are no other fees required.
I personally got caught up with the high claims of income that were being claimed by other “new” RFS members, and I foolishly jumped on board. As of today, I don’t believe in RFS nor do I have any money left to market it even if I did! The people that I have found who have made money with the RFS are network marketers who already had a huge opt in list that they mass mailed the opportunity out to, internet marketers who had an insiders knowledge of things like social networking sites (My Space, Face Book, etc), You Tube Videos, Writing Ezine Articles, or those who had a good sum of dollars to throw at higher cost items such as a strong Google ad campaign. If you don’t fall into any of those categories, be sure to save your money and sign up with GRN as a free affiliate. Best of Success to all!
Renata
Thank You so much for your story.
Marketing schemes like RFS prey on people like you and me. Fortunately, this time I’m able to see how good, honest like yourself do exactly what they say and it still doesn’t work. I’m never really sure if these schemes work for anyone except for the one who starts it. Its like the stock market-if I know about a great stock, then its probably too late to get in and make money with it.
There is a note in the list of comments about making anything legal. Its states all you have to do is apply a product and you have a legal marketing plan. I am sorry, this is naive.
This is a post as follows;
Carson Hensley on October 13th, 2007 10:26 pm
Here is what the law says in layman’s terms;
In the 1979 U.S. Supreme Court decision that has become known as “The Amway Exception” it was not product that made Amway legal, not at all. Remember, they had product before they were charged and had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to prove for the first time that this style of business now known as Network Marketing, then more often referred to as MLM, was legal.
The decision is more or less paraphrased as saying “if the last person that gets in can make money merely by retailing the product, then it is not an illegal pyramid”. In other words, to be legal you not only need a product/service but also a retail opportunity too.
What remains is to decide whether or not the RFS actually qualifies as a pyramid first. It is only required to have retail opportunity if it is, as many businesses do not have a retail opportunity but they are not pyramids.
It is not specifically the structure that causes a pyramid but the flow of the compensation. In RFS case the money goes “up” using what is called a “one-up” compensation plan, which is my opinion as a marketer and not a lawyer does qualify as what might be considered an illegal pyramid if there is no retail opportunity.
Can anyone buy it that does not want to get into the scheme? Remembering that scheme is not a word that designates legality at all, it is like saying “plan” or “business model”. Having made that distinction I would say that the answer is “NO, no one would pay for it unless they were getting into RFS!”
If I am wrong I must apologize. If I am correct then this probably is an illegal pyramid. It is what I like to call a “pseudo Network Marketing company”, not really Network Marketing and not GIFTING but some where in between.
What is worry some about RFS is not that it did not work, it did. If it had not worked there would not be a thread here with this many posts or any PPC ads - there would not be the volume on Google to warrant the sponsored links at the top of the search (only on the side).
RFS worked - at least for a while. The MATH on any automated plan, such as sales-o-matic.com, which is long gone, that created a frenzy about 4 years ago, is such that there is no way that this is sustainable for the masses.
The issue of the people at the tip make money is irrelevant in my opinion. I am okay with those who take the early risk getting the reward, as with everything in life. What I see is that there simply are not enough email addresses to sustain this style of marketing.
Email, is cheap, that is why auto responders were invented. But the results are low, so after a while the people who are apt to look have looked, then, because the results are low from any automation plan, the number of people searching for an opportunity each month will not sustain the needs for the whole. That is when it begins to collapse on itself.
Sales-o-matic.com generated 99,000+ requests for information in 10 weeks. Quite a bit more successful than RFS, but that was due to who was behind it. The point is, within 3 months every email address on the planet that was opt-into any topic had been hit on the sales-o-matic plan/scheme/business model. Result slowed, then it took weeks to get what people got in days, eventually you would have to wait years to generate decent results unless you augmented them with personal effort.
The MATH and the laws of probability don’t lie. It took us 20 million email addresses to get to 99,000 sign ups. How many opt-in email that connect do you think there are?
Out of the gate, every few years this kind of thing will hit the market again. And, though I am not trying to hrut the owners or participants in RFS, even if it is legal, the conversion rates of real prospects to participants is very low, meaning that you will eat through every opt-in email address and PPC lead within months, nevr mind years, then how to the last few thousand make money?
Look, this will emphasize the point; if 5,000 jumped in and 3,000 were on the bottom level (last people to come in), how many would have to jump in to have each of these three thousand with 5,000 in their groups? 15 million. Then 450 million in the next generation.
I don’t know what the numbers are, but if the person at the top has 5,000 it stands to reason that the last person in will not get 5,000 until the one at the top has 15 million or so. And those at the bottom then needs hundreds of million to join in order to get to the same stage.
This is over simplified, I grant you. But that’s the numbers.
The problem with RFS is not that it did not work. It is not that they charged $50 to learn something, it is not that the law is probably against this, it is not that it is a scam … it is that the MATH does not work.
Automated recruiting systems cannot succeed for more than a few. Period. We proved it years ago, RFS is in the process of proving it again. And, I predict, this is not the last time this fact will be proven. DO THE MATH … !
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The $50 application fee is to weed out the tire kickers and curious people from the people who are looking to make money.
It’s called a funded proposal.
The RFS offers a real product with real value. Global Resorts network has has been around for many years.
The problem with the system is the lack of personal branding and lack of education in marketing the site correctly. This is a legit company and the comp plan is rediculous.
Hmm, smells like Global Prosperity revisited. I was suckered on that on in the 80’s; lost over $12k, but hey, I did go to Jamica “chasing their dream for me”.
Never again, at least not like that!
Pissed off!
Go look at the Global Resorts website…It too hardly even explains what is being offered. They basically tell you, pay $3,000 and you can go anywhere you want for 7 nights, as much as you like…Hmmmm somehow I don’t think that’s all there is to it. RFS is a complete, traditional scam. Only idiots market scams in such recognizeable form: Guaranteeing lots of money without telling you what to do; lots of capital letters and exclamation points; doesn’t take any hard work; barely have to know how to use a computer….come on retards couldn’t you have at least disguised it to look a little more legit?? It’s people like you who are the filth of the Earth….karma.
Jorge,
“filth of the earth” is extremem don’t you think… They don’t guarantee alot of money at all and they do tell you how it has been done before…from your statement you show you are actually ignorant of doing any due diligence on RFS or GRN. Its obvious you have been scammed before from your attitude and I’m sorry for you…however, amway, mary kay, tupperware, discovery toys, none are scams and they didn’t steal anyones money and didn’t guarantee any monies and showed how things were done in the past and proven track record methods-would you call them the “filth of the earth”? There are many people who didn’t make it work for themselves and there were many people that did! Don’t be one of the turkeys trying to clip the wings of the eagles. Perhaps you will be an eagle in another industry or opportunity and how would you feel when a turkey came along trying to clip your wings?
If this is not your path not a business that is a niche for you then find yours but don’t begrudge those whose path this is and who have found their niche with RFS/GRN. There is a product and there are people making legitimate money and the product is sound reputable and fills a need in the much demanding market of travel.
Everyone has their own priorities yours may not be travel and mine might be so what interests you doesn’t me…the old addage- one mans meat is another man’s poison- applicable true?
Anyhow, karma is a “bitch” excuse the language, and there are reputable people in all businesses and disreputable individuals in all business do your due diligence and you’ll find both and line up with whichever side it is you fall on.
Integrity Jorge is the key.
Here’s to hoping you find your vehicle and your success.
Thanks for leaving the rest of us alone in ours.
..whichever/whatever they may be
Well, this is an interesting perspective on the Reverse Funnel System; however if you do the research, you will find the incredible amount of success that people are embarking on with it. To Refute some of your points:
The Service provided within the Reverse Funnel System is actually a travel program through Global Resorts Network offering a lifetime membership. If you pull them up on the Better Business Bureau website you will find that Global Resorts Network GRN has been in business for over 19 years with not a single complaint. That is impressive for any industry.
Promoting your business through bashing others’ businesses is not the best way to go about creating and maintaining credibility…especially using profanity to do so. This usually only gets people more interested in what you’re bashing because of the buzz that it’s creating. Anyone on the internet can post whatever info they want. When people see desperation in your approach to sell a service, most savvy consumers will run for the hills.
I don’t want to waste anymore of my time critiquing this approach to bashing peoples’ business, so you can go ahead and use profanity and bash this reply as you please.
I can sum it up in one 4 letter word “SCAM”
“Reverse Funnel System - Scam?”
Why did you use a question mark in that sentence? It’s not that hard to spot a pyramid scheme. And this one isn’t even that clever… Mister Ponzy would not be proud of this one.
And by the way, forget about the $50 up front fee. The real money is made with the monthly fees (in this poor excuse for a pyramid the fees are for web hosting or whatever)… The dumbasses will keep paying month after month, cause they don’t want to face the fact that they were conned.
My view on pyramid schemes: the ignorants/greedy bastards who fall for that kind of crap deserve to lose their money, the shills like Jonathan deserve to get their ass kicked by the people they conned (and that is in fact very likely), and finally the guy at the top (Ty whatever) deserves to spend some time in jail, where he would soon find himself in the bottom of the sex pyramid…
Hello,
My name is Trevor I live in Toronto. Financially I am well off I take part in these systems as a hobby to find out if they actually work. Believe it or not without going too much into detail this program has worked for me. I thought it might have been a scam like the rest because of the poorly designed website, but it turned out to be legit.
I was thinking about trying this RFS thing out. I would like to thank all of you for your comments.
Now the $50 upfront fee was already mentioned by many of you and some people mention the $300 monthly fee, but on this website residualatm under the application link, they clearly state “You should have a minimum of $2k-$5K (minimum) in start up capital.”
Now I don’t know if this RFS works or not, but to use that much money just to try it is not for me.
Just my opinion.
Pyramids have evolved. Technically the new generation are considered legal because they are attached to legit, often high quality products or services. There is a product or service for the last person in to sell. However if you listen to any of them the sales pitch has little to do with the product, which is just there to lend credibility. The sales pitch is always about financial independence and chucking the corporate 9 to 5 rat race etc.
Throwing in the caution that it takes effort and dedication, is not so much a disclaimer but rather lends legitimacy, positioning this as not a get rich quick scheme but a real opportunity for a go-getter. Never mind that what attracted us to it in the first place was the notion of easy money.
So the actual product is “the dream” People care less about any end product being sold but rather how many people they can get under them also pretending that they are selling a product. You will never make a lot of money retailing the high quality end product whether its Amway, Usana, etc. You’ll make lots of money appealing to people’s greed and in some cases desperation.
Apparently no seller of these dreams likes to admit to this. Probably because no one would buy.
If you have to mask the real product, then while the system may be considered ligit the transaction starts feeling very dishonest.
If you can replicate that transaction over and over again and get others to do it for you without it bothering your conscience then you’ll be successful.
You guys are all idiots. RFS is nothing more than a database filled with 2,000+ websites where you can advertise the “product” (which yields you $500/$1000 commission every sale.) Add an easy-to-navigate interface to track if your getting the traffic you paid for, and that is the RFS system.
The RFS does not make you money. You pay $300/month for updated information on new sites you can advertise on, marketing tips, and a whole bunch of mumbo jumbo from Ty and his team. In reality, they are making $1,000’s upon thousands off every NEW AFFILIATE’s sales (which would be, YOU), plus the $300/month “service fee” for being provided with what seems an endless list.
The downside: there’s sites you’ll never, ever make a sale on, your losing $300/month on information you could of gathered yourself, and plus, you DO NEED sufficient start-up capital.
And the product your selling: membership to a travel club. Pay $299-$699 for 4-5 day trips, all airfare & hotel included, anywhere in the world.. 3-year membership $1500, unlimited membership $3000. You make $500 on 3-year memberships, and $1000 on lifetime memberships.
Somewhere, Ty is going “damn, he just revealed the secret.” Sorry bud, there’s somebody here racking in $15k+/month, without paying YOU $300/month, and giving NO ONE a downline. ;) Good luck guys.
It was great reading these opinions here. I opted into RFS the first week of January, I have my platinum membership to GRN. I am limited on my advertising budget so I wont be getting the results the big boys will, But I am getting results. Also anyone who signs up under me gets the facts upfront so you know what you are getting involved in. As far as the $50.00 application fee, I say it is mandatory! If you do not filter out the rift raft you will spend all your time dealing with unserious people. That will sink your business. The great thing is the education I have received from this project. I have less than $10,000 total invested and I would not get what I have already received from any college or professional mentor for that price. Plus I have my Transferable membership to GRN on top of this education. I have also learned how to fine tune adwords, Write Blogs & lenses, set up autoresponder accounts,etc. It has truly given me a passion to assist other people in achieving their goals. When I make some real money with this it will allow me to also help other people that are not involved at all.
People need to look at the entire picture of the world. The operation of this business Alone has created a huge tidal wave of cash going to businesses online. Godaddy (how many URLS have they sold and hosted, Aweber autoresponders, Google, Yahoo, We could go on and on.
Business creates Jobs!
The bottom line is that business is not for Everyone.
Do not beat me up too bad
Please leave your comments
Regards:
Dirk
Dirk,
You have put in close to $10,000 in last six weeks and yet you say “When I make some real money with this….”.
According to the blurb you should be making money within days.
Smell the coffee - you have been had.
I think this has been saturated 100-fold. I would expect more RFS’ers to come forward with their results. Mostly bad.
And anyone defending it ‘with passion” was likely a first-stopper on the ride and is still making money at the top (or bottom) of the funnel while the first-time greenies take a cold, hard bath.
My best guess is that if you joined later than September 2007, you’re only satisfaction is knowing you are making others richer, and not yourself. 90 days is a good enough test, I am giving them them 6 months to keep it real. When your marketing funds run out, where is RFS and the “team” then?
But you do get a good education.
The same type of education you would likely get if you ventured past the “DANGER - HARD KICKING MULES” sign while trespassing at the local barnyard at 3am drunk.
Regards,
Robert
So interested to read here. Interested to learn from someone who not only tried the RFS but then also LEFT IT?? I have promoted the RFS only for a while before I quit. I am still promoting the product (Global Resorts Network), though. At first, when I was still new and excited, I thought: what is everyone complaining about, 300 bucks a month, so what? Did these people never hear about something called “business expenses”??? What’s wrong with that? Anyway. I actually switched team, because I have converted to the good old self-branding approach. Thank God my funds hadn’t cleared with GRN, so I easily could. NOW THIS IS NEWS: Now, just recently, there is a way that compromises right in the middle. It’s a mega-professional MARKETING-PLATFORM called GRN TEAMBUILDER that is provided, but you keep to upload your own videos, audios, and a pic of yourself. So it’s like the RFS except totally different (same same but different, as they say in Thailand….) Instead of paying 300 dollars a month it’s 80 dollars a month and personally….the cost is much lower AND providing WAY more value. For starters, there is the ebook, that’s the teaser. That is already great value and rather than charging 50 dollars….something is being given away completely for free. Sure, it’s a sales-tool, but it’s at least for free and the content is very sincere and basically exposes “the 10 deadly lies” with regard to making money on the internet”. quite difficult to resist, because everybody considering this…..wouldn’t they want to learn about it? and yes, the content is great, no hype, honest facts. then, there is actually training modules contained within the website. what can I say? I was lost when I signed up with the RFS, though I must say that I did not get the fast-action bonuses. I don’t know what they are and if they would have made things any clearer, but when I looked around in that site that they call globalmentors, you know, it’s password-protected and all that, I was really disappointed. last but not least, the new platform offers what they call “virtual assistants”. it means, someone will call your leads for you. you actually have to pay them 200 bucks for every deal they close, then again, if you have ever tried to close someone on the phone….good luck. if you can do it yourself, you don’t have to use them. but the best thing is: one of the biggest problems RFS-marketers have, is that the follow-up emails that the system sends out very very often never get opened, because they end up in the spam-folder. and you can’t call them because at this point there is no phone-number and even if, this is against the very nature of what they are promising you: no calling. with this teambuilder, chances that the follow-up emails generated by the built-in autoresponders end up in the spam-folders are small, for people get information right after signing in (the ebook mentioned), so they will check it and “boom”, there you go, you have someone who will actually read the follow-up stuff. So to participate is so much lower, which is great, and they do it because they have found other ways to make money, which is fair, because it really scratches an itch and after all, you only pay if you want to and AFTER the sale is made. THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK
Kudo Mark,
Someone on this thread finally mentions the alternative! Say all you want about the RFS, but is isnt a scam or illegal. Buyer beware though because it is pretty difficult to get recognized out on the web with a replicated landing page branding Ty Coughlin. This is the single most perplexing issue RFS-using reps encounter. The fully automated aspects appeal to the lazy bone in all of us, & many rush into it w/o giving thought to how much competition they’ll run into with other RFS users. Jonathan (very early posts) in his own way was correct, albeit a bit crude in his delivery. Doing your research before using the RFS is wise. Also the same for GRN Teambuilder. I switched to it recently because it supports what I was already doing outside the funnel-personal branding-much better than the funnel does because of the customization features. The Virtual Assistants are professional (I tested 5 of them before joining!), and represent my biz well.
In closing, do your thorough due diligence on both systems. And kearn how to brand yourself…just like any successfull biz does, on or offline! My personal branding page where you can sign up for free 30 minute information only webinars is globalonlinesecrets dot com We cover branding during these webinars as well as the GRN product.
Forrest
Thanks for the posts Mark & Forrest. My wife joined RFS in December before we left for vacation and when we got back we started plugging away at it. Oh my Gosh! I spend so much on advertising before I started seeing results. I now have a team of 18 members which I personally mentor. I have been marketing GRN using that Beach Bum liar who said the system is duplicatable. If it is than why am I always on the phone explaining even basic stuff like how to link your domain name to your destiantion url. The training calls and training sites suck. I’ve had to become a coach and a student at the same time. My wife is an attorney and I’m an MBA with a background in Radio & Print advertising but even for us this has been anything but easy. I’ve had get my Adwords optimized, and really find creative ways to target my advertising. But I’ve been feeling sick about myself, I don’t believe in the presentation and hiding the product until you have someone pay $50. I’ve had to refunded several retirees because they thought the $50 was for the whole system or at least a down payment. Some of the emails that I get replied from Ty Coughlin’s auto-responders are from people that are really struggling and are using part of their rent money in order to have a chance to hear what Ty will do for them. He should be sent to jail. I began responding to all my paid leads with all the facts and while this may have lower my conversions, the people I have on my team are motivated. However, thank God there is something else out there. My wife and I have been researching other ways to promote GRN that is honest and focuses on the product. At the least if the customer thinks the product is garbage, he or she can make a better decision. I am at the airport right now in LA and I am flying to Ft. Lauderdale. From there we are going to take a road trip back to LA and in that time we are going to make stops at GRN sponsored resorts. Personally, nothing has convinced me that the product is that valuable other than the compensation plan. So hopefully we’ll be able to find that these resorts, which I believe are only 3 stars are at least fair in value. I had heard about GRN Team Builder for a couple of weeks now and I’m going to do a little more research before switching over to them. I did receive the free eBook and it seemed pretty sincere. Also, my upline was terrible when I joined RFS, the only thing we got from him was some lousy pre-made training website. Also, those training calls with Ty, Doug, & Don are garbage. All they talk about is positive thinking and the laws of attraction. I would beleive the same BS if I was making their kind of money. They never give you any specific advertising advice. My team and I have just decided to hold our own training where we can openly share strategic information. Since we are only a small group we don’t have to worry too much about saturating each others advertising efforts. Anyone who is thinking of joining any of these systems, whether RFS, Carbon Copy, Mass Control, GRN Team Builder, or any other Network Marketing/MLM please make sure you have a good mentor especially if you have zero experience online. The sharks at the top will eat your advertising for breakfast. They have so much leverage that unless you come in with a heavy ad budget and joint-venture partner it really is “Too Good To Be True.” Branding is the key. For those of you who are still with RFS at least there are other options. Here’s to sleeping good at night again!
hey man gator-bite, can’t you leave my link? after all you started this page and it was your intention that knowledge be shared and opinions exchanged. give my link a little chance here. all it will do is give people the chance to check it out. then they can decide for themselves and in the event that it helps them avoid the RFS they will save a lot of money, if nothing else. isn’t that a good thing????? I am not hyping anything, you see, even people that I could NEVER make money off (the guys using RFS) they could still change without having to buy anything from me. the teambuilder can be purchased on a monthly basis, but since I didn’t build it I don’t get much out of it. nothing, to be precise. If you have a problem with the RFS, give it’s alternative a chance. no lies. no high costs. a free ebook. and first class training. why wouldn’t you support that at least in a passive way? the teambuilder needs some publicity, for noone knows about it. almost. let me make it public just a little.
thanks man,
Mark
Hello everyone, I did not go through all
the replies, but enough to maybe offer some
help here. I’d like to address to things.
First, the person about Global Resorts Network
saying there was a complaint at:
That is inaccurate. The company mentioned there is Global Resorts Services, which is another
company I know nothing about.
GRN does not offer timeshares, and the company
we have partnered with has been selling these
memberships for 21 years.
I do not think you will find complaints on either
company online, and I can even provide anyone
with info that points to the other company that
provides our memberships having an excellent standing at the BBB.
I think the reverse funnel does get a lot of negative press, but there are some that love it.
Please know that GRN and RFS are two separate
identities, RFS was created by a group of people
within GRN, and is just a system to promote
our business.
In fact, members of GRN have access to multiple
systems, as low as $29.95 a month, which covers
the use of an auto responder.
Online systems are great, but anyone used,
the conversations will be higher when speaking with people. They will even tell you that as
a RFS member.
I think those seeing the best results are using a
lot of web 2.0 like youtube that actually does the speaking for them, because people feel they
know the person before joining.
But, RFS was designed to work for all, new
people and pro’s alike. The issue for many though, is the $299.00 a month to use the
system.
For many, that will cut into their advertising budget too much, and if they are not advertising
enough, they will not get any sales.
I do not use RFS myself, but I did test it out for a couple of months just to see what it was about.
I cannot say anything negative about it, been
do have issue’s with the glitches in it mentioned
earlier. They say they are working on that.
can provide more info on RFS and all systems
available to GRN members.
I hope that helps, and best wishes to all.
Cheers,
Kim Ward
This deal no different than the ads that used to be in the newspaper telling you that for a dollar you can buy a book that will tell you how to make millions. For a dollar you get a ‘book’ that tells you to place ads in the local paper reselling the ‘book’. The only difference is that instead of the newspaper they are using scripting to generate ads on the internet. By the way, these scripts are not only easy to create, they are available as freeware. If you are really interested in scamming people out of their money, just start your own ‘funnel’ for free.
Wow look at all those comments. I think gatorbyte (or whoever owns this blog) loves it. Who cares what RFS is as long as people keep coming here to talk about it. Well, folks I DID NOT get into the RFS. If you read my entry above, you’ll know I was considering it. It just didn’t “feel” right. I soon realized that I would be competing with thousands of young kid computer guru’s who were advertising like neon signs on YouTube . . . I didn’t want to be just another pretty face. And all of their websites were all different — with their own personal bells and whistles . . . no real uniformity. The teams in the RFS seemed to be like a loose federation within the opportunity. And there are just TOO MANY PEOPLE involved. Would you be able to find my website if you Googled the RFS in the middle of all the others? Can I get that good in SEO (search engine optimization) in time to make a dent in that opportunity. By the way, Tommy . . . are you there? . . . from your earlier entry here? . . . I think I know who you are and if I’m right . .. let me say I DID join your website . . . it makes sense . . . pure and simple . . . ha ha . . . Anyway guys I got into something else (along with Tommy’s deal) that I think is better. I’m not going to promote it here . . . no names at all . . . this blog is about the RFS (and gatorbyte’s traffic at the expense of the RFS) — so everyone just keep talking and talking and repeating the same things over and over and over and over again. I didn’t do the RFS. You might do it if it’s right for you. Fine. Then do it . . . or don’t do it. Whatever. This blog has so many emotional opinions going in so many different directions that it is no longer helpful in making a qualified decision. Only the moderator benefits now - from traffic. Let’s see how long gatorbyte lets this entry stay up before it gets pulled.
I do get a fair bit of traffic from this post but only around 80 to 100 hits a day, nothing overly fantastic. Very few comments get deleted from it. The bounce rate for this post is practically 100% so it’s not like the traffic is all that beneficial. Most people click in, read the post and a few comments and then click back out again.
I choose to leave the ‘emotional’ comments in because for some people the system appears to work and for other people it hasn’t and ultimately, regardless of my feelings on the system, it’s up to each person to decide if they want to try. At least these comments have provided more answers about RFS than can be found in other places (ie: the true costs of getting started)
One thing is for sure, I saw the video briefly and I understand that these people have made a change. They talk about being ahead and using the latest technology! That’s true. No longer do they canvas by annoying phone calls but they use the internet to do it! another one of those SPAM/JUNK mails! This cool name “reverse funnel system” will only fool the half brain nitwit like Johnny pointed out. Nothing more than another quicxtar (i don’t care for it so i don’t know how to spell it) These dumb @#$# are propagating a completely false idea. No product like gatorbyte mentions or no simple example. Even their lemon marketing idea does not offer solution, just says pay me $$ and i’ll give you the perfect solution.
IT’S A SCAM !!! people have proven systems to succeed, and this is NOT one of them.
also i think this is fairly new. I like the image you used gatorbyte. just a suggestion, put a reverse pyramid chart with the two already there that shows how much $$ the guy on the top will be making if you trip on this foolish venture. That would help in discouraging the RFS scheme if the guy on top is making more.
If this was actually real, they would give full information ! When will you yanks realise that the way to riches IS NOT sticking it up your fellow Americans. Lets face it!!! If you really had the answer, you would be “living the dream”.
It’s time to stop fooling yourself and others. The U.S.A used to be the pride of the free world. Now it’s just a joke. PLEASE redeem yourselves. I know you are good people.
Today, I viewed your Republican candidate (on international TV) What a wanker !!! he explained the Iraqu situation as one that the USA is winning ! That USA casualties are going down (30 a day to 28 a day) I wonder how this “dickhead” would feel if one of those 28 per day was HIS son or daughter. Apparently the death of “some” citizens is acceptable. The USA used to be a candel to the rest of the world. Now you are becoming a joke.
WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH RFS ?
RFS is indicative of the “dog eat dog” mentality that is pervading the greatest nation in modern history. THE ROMAN EMPIRE USED TO BE GREAT.
PLEASE STOP NOW
What a shame, that more people don’t find this forum !
I AM one of those suckers. Unfortunately, at the time I researched RSF, I didn’t come across this site. I started in October 2007 by giving them $50. Then they wanted another $2995. Two weeks later another $299 and so on and so on and so on. I was layed off from my job at the end of October, so I took a chance and invested in RSF and the GRN. I had no idea how much it would cost to get started. It is now March 2008 and I have yet to make a dime. I am so far into this, I don’t know what to do. I want to bail, but then I lose it all and theres always that chance someone will buy into this….. I got involved in this knowing nothing and I was told there would be help. Well the person that got my commission keeps telling me I’m not working hard enough at advertising. I HAVE NO MORE MONEY…HOW CAN I ADVERTISE! It’s funny though, last month he called and asked how I was doing…oh great, I said. But I’m broker than when I met you. He promised me he would help me make a sale in February. I never heard from him again. Now I don’t know where to turn. Now, not only am I jobless, but I have spent alot of my savings. How stupid am I?
jeez, thanks for straightning out Mr budd for us gator-byte. My brother maxed out is credit card ($6000)on RFS, he’s been in RFS for the past 5 weeks. Guess how much he’s earned, zilch,nothing, nada. Anyway, i did warn him. That’ll be a good learning expirience. Most of this money making scams tend to give people mood swings.
Hi, I have been interning for a big law office here in Florida that was hired by a serious entrepreneur to do a research of the Reverse Funnel System and I remember that there were two experienced lawyers who investigated for over 2 weeks on the company and the system including calling the office of the attorney general, and found out that this is a legitimate home business opportunity. I remember because the client’s bill was $4,098 and some cents and I remember saying,
“Why wouldn’t someone pay that kind of money for a product that costs $3,000?” :)
Now, I am not in it, and I don’t have much experience with a home business, but I know that one of the lawyers purchased the membership for himself (not the business opportunity) stating: “It will be a 5-figure saving for all the trips my wife alone takes every year.”
Recently I found out that one of my friends I went to college with a couple of years ago got in the RFS in the beginning of February and he left his job last week after he said he made over $15,000 in profit.
I will purchase my membership next week when I get paid just for the vacations and if I like the product will go for the business opportunity as well.
Anyway, I guess there is no such thing as automatic millionaire as work has to be put forth, but the product is very appealing.
Just wanted to leave my experience from a position of someone who actually saw the facts!
Take care everyone!
Mary
RFS might be okay for those for who have a steady bugdet. It’s just too big a risk if you don’t know how to market in the right place. I’m still a newbie, so for all newbies, check the site above. This people guarantees you’ll earn and it’s totally FREEEEEE to join.
Hi Everyone,
I’m glad I put in the hours to research this RFS before taking the leap. The person who posted the statistics on how many millions of people would have to be reached to “make it”, impressed me the most. I like statistics and odds calculations.
It certainly is “possible” to be a success with RFS, early on, but not “probable”, once market saturation kicks in.
I’ve decided not to do it, based on the stats.
Thanks for all your comments.
Thom
I sought (the proper way to say “searched”) for “global resorts network” using Yahoo search. Except for this single web site, the first 200 found were all promotions for GRN and the reverse funnel scheme, all provided by GRN or one of their associates. Apparently not only does no one have anything bad to say about GRN (excepting this site,) but no one else besides GRN has anything at all to say about GRN. I would probably have to look down to the 500th or 1000th found entry to find some outsider’s opinion of the system.
So, let’s see… You pay them $3000. You then have to pull in at least three other people who will pay $3000 each to get your $3000 back. Then, you will either need to pull in more to make any profit, or the ones you have pulled in will have to pull others in to get that $2000 to you. . . or does the $2000 go to GRN? From everybody involved? I’m confused. The only ones I see making any money for no effort are GRN. Or whomever is running this reverse funnel scheme, if not GRN themselves. And, if all you are doing is pulling in people to pull in other people, who the heck is selling the timeshares? There isn’t even any mention of that. That $50 up front to separate the “committed, dedicated people” from the “tire kickers” sounds more like a way to separate the suckers from the suspicious. This is all really too silly.
Besides, isn’t the exchange of real property only legally available to Realtors? (capitalized because it is a registered trademark) If you don’t hold a Realty license, you can’t legally deal in real estate, be it owned, leased, rented, lent, or shared. You can be an unlicensed agent for a Realtor, but only the Realtor can sign the paperwork.
Oh, and I agree with Aussie. The US of A is going the way of the Roman Empire, although in form the fall is closer to that of the Weimar Republic. There are lots of books on the subject. Go to your local bookstore or library and bone up on it. The more people who are worried about it means there are more who might do something to stop it, or at least turn it around.
Wow I can not believe that there are still people in this world who are dumb enough to fall for this crap…..
One way to make money … HARD WORK.
HA HA HA! What a bunch of maroons! I love all of these FAKE posts too talking this garbage up (see ‘Mary” the legal intern) Look at her first paragraph:
Hi, I have been interning for a BIG law office here in Florida that was hired by a SERIOUS entrepreneur to do a research of the Reverse Funnel System and I remember that there were two EXPEREINCED lawyers who investigated for over 2 weeks on the company and the system including calling the office of the attorney general, and found out that this is a legitimate home business opportunity. I remember because the client’s bill was $4,098 and some cents and I remember saying,
“Why wouldn’t someone pay that kind of money for a product that costs $3,000?” :)
Love the use of such dramatic words to make the whole thing sound so authentic and SERIOUS. This is all h*rseshit and anyone who gets caught up in one of these scams is an idiot.
Name one wealthy person you know of (NOT TY) that made money through anything other than hard work…
This is no different than any other affiliate program you can sign up to on the web.
You need traffic to sell ANYTHING online. And getting traffic online is a very hard thing to do unless you pay for it.
I came across this whole RFS thing inadvertently and became intrigued by the system and its affiliation with GRN and the claims about how big money could be made.
Here’s what I’ve discovered so far:
Fact: GRN is an MLM and the product is a membership into a luxury travel club that provides what looks like great savings at 4-5 star resorts around the world.
FACT: joining GRN will cost $1495 USD for a gold membership (3 years unlimited access) or $2995 (lifetime unlimited access)
FACT: once joinin