Reverse Funnel System – Scam?
243 words eaten alive on October 11, 2007 - Filed Under Business, Internet, Spam/Scam -
There’s so much hype about this new bullshit money making scam going around. I could be wrong on this but as far as I can see this is nothing more than a glorified pyramid scam. This time it’s all automated using web sites, no more calling people or having meetings to con people out of their hard earned money, just direct traffic to your website where they can read all about it. The people on top will make money while the people on bottom get shafted. There’s just no way every single person doing this can make money out of it.
The person who creates the scam is at the very top. The first person he cons into buying in pays him money and then goes out to convince other people to buy in and so on. A reverse funnel is an upside down funnel. What does an upside down funnel represent? That’s right, a pyramid, and last I heard, pyramid schemes are still illegal. Don’t waste your money people, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck… you get the picture. Until someone can prove to me otherwise, the Reverse Funnel System is something that should be avoided at all costs. I do find it worth mentioning however that a search on scambusters.org doesn’t find any results, could it be too new that people haven’t caught on yet?
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You know what’s funny?
There are actually adsense ads on scambusters.org promoting the Reverse Funnel System.
This post is actually a Joke. You have 0 information. Absolutely none. You provide no data, you make bias conclusions based on your completely un represented opinions, and offer 0 value to anyone who is reading this. Just negativity.
If you want REAL DATA on the reverse funnel system then I recommend you watch THIS VIDEO that explains the metrix of the reverse funnel system. For those who don’t know what that means…it means the “DATA” that is collected from scientific measurement of the visitors and conversions on a website. The metrix is what enables professional business owners to make scientific conclusions about building a real business.
At the heart of the reverse funnel system it is about DATA. It’s an internet marketing based system designed to automate the sales process of a direct sales company.
it’s real, the product has Genuine value, and the people using this system are making REAL money.
Just because this system uses aggressive language and income claims means nothing about the legitimacy of this business or the people using it.
Hopefully many people will not be so foolish to accept blatant opinions based on no factual data, and will instead do a thorough investigation into what this system is for themselves.
All the best,
Jonathan Budd
Ooooh, look at that.. a video BY you, ABOUT you, going on and on about leads but without showing an actual product. What product? I’m in retail, not one of my distributors has charged me an application fee to do business with them. $50 just to sign up with you guys? Right. $50 without even being shown a product? Right.
Pyramid, plain and simple. The people on the bottom will have no one left to sell to. People WILL lose money at this.
What an interesting idea – to rename the pyrimid scheme to a ‘reverse funnel’ it almost gives the idea that the money will flow down… but really, it goes up to those at the top. I feel bad for the people that get involved in these tricks.
Aaaaahhhh… the beauty of Pyramid and MLM! Puleeze let us give credit to the father of it all… Mr. Charles Ponzi who started it all . Of course this is a scheme… of sorts- the RFS. I have not sent in my 50 dollars yet though. I wonder what I’ll get for 50 dollars besides an education in probability and logic. It’s easy to make the RFS legal… all you have to do is provide a service or product for the 50 dollars. This might be as simple as a Email list of persons who have responded to this style of advertising within the last week… there’s the product..BINGO–LEGAL !! Or how about Ty Coughlin suggesting how you might also design a plan similar to his? …There’s the service…BINGO-LEGAL!! Who cares if you just lost 50 dollars to a legal scheme…I don’t and neither should you now that you know how easy it is to make these schemes legal. P.T Barnam always said …”there’s a sucker born every minute.” Well… it’s true… somebody has to take care of all these suckers… Go get’em Ty !!!!!!! LMAO !!!!
I have been doing a lot of reading of late on how to supplement my retirement using the internet. I’ve read about affliliate programs in a lot of detail and now the RFS. I once lost 1K$ to a real (illegal) pyramid scheme a long time ago and I’ve never forgotten the experience. I am obviouly very skeptical. What I have seen, however, through many Google searches is that there is about a 10:1 ratio in favor of this “scheme.” That either means it is successful or the individual(s) at the top are really good marketeers. By the way, I love the upside down funnel/pyramid comparison. So I guess the jury is still out for me, but I haven’t spent my money as yet.
Thanks for the input Curtiss, I figure that RFS is just too new to have much bad publicity attached to it. Marketing plays a huge part of it too and when it comes to online advertising it’s easy to get your word out to a lot of people in a very short amount of time. Due to this it can take a while for the ‘real’ news to reach the top of the searches.
KUDOS. You are the first out of 40 pages that I found that had some negative feed on this system. BTW an English company has been creating the 15 minute, 15,000 word web site for 4 years now. They use syntax exchange and computer text changers to whip out Ad Sense pages in seconds. The Reverse Funnel guys should have got one. It’s the only way to clog out “ripoffreport” and the like in search engines.
clapping for you.
Brian King
Anyone with HALF A BRAIN can find out every stinking thing there is to know about the reverse funnel system.
Only complete morons who co around touting everything as a scam sit back and say “SCAM” with NO EVIDENCE or proof what so ever. Just opinions like always.
Do your research people. The company on the back end of the reverse funnel system is called “Global Resorts Network”
They own a product that has been selling for 21 years all over the world for as much as $10,000 a pop.
It’s a luxury travel membership that gives you access to world class resorts and vacations for fractions of what most people would normally pay. Directly competes with time shares/condo’s
at 1/100 the price.
Real product. Real value. You take 4 vacations for the rest of your life and the thing paid for itself.
We sell it for $3k. That’s what RFS sells. You keep $1k commission out of that. Great comp plan, great product, NEW SYSTEM to sell it.
it’s no mystery most people CAN NOT SELL. Hence the reason RFS was created with it’s hypey yet effective web copy, and its mysterious system.
And by the way…do the math of the $50 application fee of ‘brilliant business one’ who started this nonsense about this system being a scam.
the real estate industry, tons of other industries ALL USE APPLICATION FEES MORON.
It separates REAL buyers from freebie seekers and tire kickers. It puts the prospect in mode that is READY to take action and makes sure we ONLY work with the best of the best who are qualified what we have to offer.
That’s the deal. And I’ve had 2 people on my front line start plugging into systematic marketing solutions, make sales today alone.
Tell me another home business where total newbies can make $1k-$4k a month their first month. Not to many out there.
Obviously not everyone is successful and there is NO BUSINESS where everyone always will be successful.
but real entrepreneurs who REALLY want to succeed will learn marketing and succeed in RFS 10x easier then most of what exists out there.
All the best,
Jonathan
Wow Jonny boy, look at you go! Getting pretty fired up are we? I don’t even feel like reading most of yer nonsense, got bored just skimming it over. You sure are getting worked up over your ‘SCAM!’ getting some bad publicity.
Calling me a moron sure isn’t the right way to convince me that what you’re doing is a good thing, or that I should consider taking down this post for that matter.
By the way, I didn’t quite start the nonsense although I think I was one of the first. There’s a ton of other posts similar to this one if you take your time to look around, and I know you do.
Cheers Jonny
Who the heck is this Jonathan Budd? I see his name everywhere responding to people who bash the RFS. Maybe its Ty Coughlin in disguise. I don’t know about anyone else but it sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. eventually its going to run out and fizzle. People who got in first are the only ones who will make money duping other unsuspecting victims.
Johnathan is a reversefunnelsystemreview. So what I don’t understand is what are you selling in order to drive that traffic? Where does the money come from that you supposedly make?
hmmm. thats weird. now the big bad company’s website is unavailable. Seems pretty professional to me.
Jonathan Budd, of course, wants to promote the fast and easy buck methods.
I like how he introduces a new word in one of his ranting responses here. “Metrix”. I think he menas metrics, which is a set of measurements that define something. But metrix? Dang, he is so forward thinking that he has a new language!
“If you want REAL DATA on the reverse funnel system then I recommend you watch THIS VIDEO that explains the metrix of the reverse funnel system. ”
Also, if he is so professional, I do not think he woudl allow himself to get so emotional, and unprofessional, in his responses here. Class and character, if present, would not allow him to be dragged in to so much ranting.
Chris
Yeah it’s pretty bad when he resorts to name calling. I’m sure he’ll come back and say he’s just ‘passionate about this amazing program’. haha.. what a douche. He won’t be getting MY money at least.
Why are there teams? What is the purpose or significance in that?
well, i don’t know if it’s a scam or not, but you need to pay alot more than 50$.50$ is to show you some cute pictures with men and cars,starving families,some videos and at the bottom there is another “checkout” field where you need to pay them $2900 to access their system. So, I guess the $50 are to make you believe you started and then try to convince you need to be a PLATINUM whateva
The Reverse Funnel System is a scam. The reason people don’t have “all the facts” is because the company does not offer them. They make you pay $50 to even look at what they do. No reputable business would do that. The $50 is to enrich the perpetrators of the Reverse Funnel Scam. It’s just that simple. The Reverse Funnel System sucks.
All the good publicity on search engines has been generated by people who have something to gain by promoting it. Notice that if you search Google, YouTube, etc, for “reverse funnel system sucks” or “reverse funnel system scam”, they use those keywords to actually say good things about their scam, such as: “Is the Reverse Funnel System a scam?” “Reverse Funnel System – Scam?” “One might think that the Reverse Funnel System is a scam, but . . .”
They always throw in the word sucks to describe the payment scheme of some other pyramid. Google it to find the same things reposted on hundreds of sites.
And “Jonathan Budd” calls us idiots like we are a bunch of newbies who haven’t seen anything. I was around when make.money.fast started on BBSes and Usenet.
Reverse Funnel System is not a scam. Why? Because it sells really product – Global Resorts Network, and this system only help to promote more this GRN product, its legal system, u dont buy fictional product.
Hello!
I’ve been researching on RFS. One thing I can say is that whoever conceptualized the system is just plain brilliant (and I don’t believe this Ty Coughlin did it all by himself).
Don’t get me wrong, I am not into this. I am just a newbie. But the buzz that RFS created is something which cannot be ignored. It’s the art of Marketing. Sure, it may fizzle out one day and die out or it may be replaced by another system. Perhaps the inverse kettle or whatever. What I am driving at is, this system shows how strong the power of Marketing really is.
It is illegal until the ones who are ought to say it is, do so. Until then, it’s just plain marketing strategy.
Scam or not, still they are opinions. Does RFS makes money? I think so. Do I have to pay $50 for RFS? I think I’ll design my own system in due time.
Have a great day!
Don Valenzuela
Why it IS a scam:
They ask for your money in advance without telling you what the business is. That is called the “advance fee scam” (google it). Regardless of whether or not the underlying business is a legal enterprise, it does not justify the fact that people are being deceived and losing money as a result. The money lost enriches the perpetrators of the scheme.
The “buzz” is known as “search engine optimization” or SEO (google it). They even say on the introductory pages (before you have to fork over $50 to see what the business really is) that you must “Place the ads where you are directed to place them”. That means, flood the Internet with positive messages about the system. Then, when people do web searches, they will be directed to rave reviews of it. These reviews are not independent! They are all by people who have something to gain by promoting the system.
As for the product, it is hard to say if it has value, because the people promoting it have something to gain by saying good things about it. They are not independent reviews. There are many pyramid schemes that use products to remain “barely legal.”
In the finer details of the Material, there are claims that I can get $1,000 per sale, (from those sales I “make”), which is conditional and based solely upon whether or not I actually make the sale. And $1,000 from every sale by a person I bring in. A potential of $2,000 per sale “If” each sale also includes a new member.
Doesn’t that mean that every sale has an equally likely potential of sucking $2,000 out of someone who is expecting a return on the money spent for what ever is being sold?
And there simply isn’t enough money in the world for everybody that signs up to make the amounts claimed.
As far as being legal or illegal is concerned. If You tell me you will let me know how to make money just by asking for the amount you want, and all it will cost me is $20, and I hand you a $20 dollar bill, and you say, “now wasn’t that easy to learn?” I’m out 20 dollars, but what you did was perfectly legal. You promised to let me know how to make money by asking for it, and all it would cost me is $20. After I paid you the $20, you let me know it was as easy as what you did to get $20 from me. You provided a service for a fee. Legal.
Ethical? No.
Legal? Yes.
The legal wording is not required so long as the intent is clear. Or so I’ve been told. (free consultation from Morgan & Morgan)
Reverse Funnel System is amazing marketing system that really works. It brings me many money and also other people in inner circle team/
Hello everyone…I must admit I too got sucked into the RFS hype. I will not call it a scam but pretty darn close. The product, GRN is amazing and very superior in service and quality. The compensation plan allows affiliates to earn 500-1000 commissions off of front line sales and qualifying team sales till infinity.
I was in the RFS for 2 months and spent about 8k total, probably a little more….and what do you think I got out of it? Creditors calling me because I have no $$$$ left to pay my bills.
I was sure a sucker….although I only think this experience has made me much stronger and better leader. I will continue to market GRN both directly and as an opportunity but I wont’ be using the RFS.
Yes…there are many people in the RFS who are making money…but there are twice as many who havent made a dime.
All they want you to do is buy leads from their sources and half the time the system doesn’t work properly. Instances of emails not being sent and even links being redirected to other members. Yes…thats very tricky huh, “place your banner here you silly fool while we recode to someone elses page”
Not me….no more I am done.
I think Jonathan Budd’s estimates are a little shady.. On one of his sites he advertises reaching “1 trillion internet users”!! At last count, that’s roughly 150 times the entire earth’s population!
haha, wow, look at me! Like a little celebrity and shit.
Hey Shawn, where do I advertise reaching 1 trillion internet users bro? I can’t remember ever putting that anywhere considering there aren’t that many people in the world by a long shot boss.
Sounds a little silly, so if you could please show me where you found that I would greatly appreciate it.
As for rfs, man, we have been having this conversation for a little while. I really do feel bad for people who aren’t having success.
The system clearly has strengths and weakenesses.
One of its major weaknesses is the fact that it is expensive to learn marketing on.
And bottom line, if you don’t know how to market then you arent’ going to make any money.
The RFS is dead real estate without traffic flowing through, and targeted traffic at that. Not junk traffic which doesn’t convert.
Its unfortunate that many people who aren’t REALLY cut out to be entrepreneurs get sucked in to the “get rich quick” mentality.
Yea, I saw RFS. Did I believe I was going to get rich quick? Hell no. I’m not dumb!!!
I approach every business like an entrepreneur. I look at the DATA. I look at
1. price point.
2. product.
3. Compensation plan.
4. Marketing System.
I look at the data and make scientific conclusions based on whether or not the traffic I send is going to be worth while.
RFS is promoting a real product, has real value, I’m cool with that.
The system clearly converts, so it was a business “go” in all forms to promote it.
That’s how I think.
I don’t think I’m going to get rich quick overnight because some beach bum is telling me I am.
But many people might actually believe that, and then when they find out…”WHOA!!!, you mean I actually have to work?”
“You mean I actually have to develop real skills as a marketer, and entrepreneur, and understand how to build businesses on the internet?”
“THIS IS A GODDAMN SCAM!!”
LOL!!! Cracks me up everytime.
The scam is the fact that 95% of the people have
a “business opportunity seeker Get rich quick” attitude.
They don’t approach business ventures as entrepreneurs.
All you need to look at in this industry is
1. price point.
2. product
3. comp plan
4. marketing system
If you don’t like ANY of those things…then DO NOT DO THE BUSINESS!!
The business isn’t for you. You should go find something else you like to do.
But if you look at those things, and you LIKE them, and make a choice to join the business because you liked those 4 factors…then who the hell do you have to blame for your failure?
Failure is a pure result of lack of knowledge on how to advertise your business to targeted markets.
Entrepreneurship 101
Yet most people are not entrepreneurs. And they fail, because they haven’t developed skills and abilities needed to succeed.
It’s REALLY THAT SIMPLE.
No matter what business. A friggin restraunt, or an online business opportunity, whatever.
Anyways, RFS has its weaknesses.
The system should be way cheaper, and they should have real teachers teaching the whole company how to market and advertise rather then just those shitty calls teaching people how to place ads with their database.
If I owned the system, you bet your ass it would be much different. I’ve tried to have numerous conversations with creators about this to no avail.
But at the end of the day, they have still created the highest converting system in internet marketing history. And like it or not…there are MORE PEOPLE, newbies alike, who are creating any amount of success in RFS then any other business we’ve ever seen period.
Case in point, this is my BACK OFFICE. Look at my team sales for yourself…
And since this time, my team has closed another 20 sales.
So the damn thing works, and its working for more people then just about any other system ever has.
it just sucks it won’t work for everybody. But last time I checked…THAT’S LIFE!
Business ain’t no breeze. Its competitive, and the best survive. Just that simple…
I will continue to harass creators to lower price, but if not, ill continue to work harder to find solutions for my group to get them solid real traffic so they can see real results.
In fact, its ridiculous whats possible with this compared to other systems.
If only it was cheaper!! And we had more time to teach our team how to market…then no one would be getting hurt and everyone would be getting tons of value.
Alas, it aint my system. So I just do the best with what I have.
All the best,
Jonathan
FINALLY! Thank you Jonathan, for finally talking like a human being about this system. Thanks for the honestly, this is what people need to hear. They don’t need to hear about how it’s a fully automated website that will funnel thousands and thousands of dollars into their bank account for absolutely no effort. They need to know that there is no such thing as free money.
I don’t necessarily believe in everything you’re saying about RFS, but this is a step in the right direction.
Hey man,
I try to be for real bro. The fact of the matter is, being an entrepreneur isn’t easy.
This is no ‘pie in the sky’ money falling into your lap for nothing.
It just aint the case. The system does use hypey sales copy to get people going and emotional and I have no problem with that because if they didn’t then the damn thing wouldn’t WORK and no one would be making any money.
But as it is now…it allows REAL ENTREPRENEURS who apply real marketing and advertising skills to their business to make autopilot sales on high ticket item.
And that’s pretty damn cool, regardless of what anyone says. It’s really cool…
I’ve never seen a human being sell an item like this at the conversion rate it does…so its cool…but people can’t get delusioned.
They have to stay focused and realize its a real business, and your success will come down to how well you market and advertise.
pretty much that simple!
Best of luck to everyone…
Jonathan
In response to Jonathan about Global Resorts Network there has been a complaint that has been filed:
Vacation Network Inc, aka: the Vacation Network Advertising Corporation, aka: Global Resort Services, aka Reverse Funnel System = SCAM
Let me clarify what a reverse funnel system is. Normally in a business, you must call every lead you gnerate and quality them – ask questions to see if they are serious, make sure you want to work with them, etc…
So its like a regular funnel, you have tons of leads at the top, and only the good serious prospects come out the other end.
A Reverse funnel is just a fancy way of saying that the website and 50 dollar application fee does that filtering for you – because someone who isnt serious about starting a business will never plop down 50 bucks for information. Someone who is dead serious, will.
That being said, I still think its a scam.
this is a scam.
No product, no service, no value.
There has been something mentioned a few times that I want to mention again because something has happened amongst all the buzz of the Reverse Funnel System. What has happened is that so many people have either been led to believe or have not been led to realize that there is a very real and legitimate product that the Reverse Funnel System has come along and screwed up. The product is a membership in Global Resorts Network. The Reverse Funnel System and Global Resorts Network are no more the same than you and I. They are two completely seperate entities that got mixed in together. I would be willing to bet (and sure excited to see) that Global Resorts Network will one day denounce the Reverse Funnel System. Maybe they can’t do that, but if they can, I bet they will. Anyone who is doing their homework about either the Reverse Funnel System or Global Resorts Network…please understand that there are many better ways to market Global Resorts Network that through the Reverse Funnel System. Please send me an e-mail at or visit my website at to learn the truth about Global Resorts Network. Thank You and Good Luck!
Anything with that many people on board is a boom about to go bust. The top guys will make out as always. Good luck to the rest of those clowns.
This is obviously a scam. How can people be so stupid to fall for it? On the other hand, I hear that Nigerian Bank Offer is legit…
Has anyone bothered to have a look at the Corporate structure? Or perhaps the structure of government?
Are they not the shape of a pyramid?
Last I heard chain letters were illegal because there is no exchange of product or service. However you can go to University and study the business models that are fair and being utilised by most major Corporations these days and you will find Network Marketing, Direct Selling and Referral Selling as the New Economy.
Stay up to date people, and take a positive outlook on life. Best wishes to all those marketing GRN via the RFS.
i think jonathon is a newbie in the field and is in some serious need of some downline support/money-i have noticed the pressure mounting in defense to something he probably sunk his 50 bux into and is not seeing enough of…if you notice the once professional conversation has now turned into slinging insults of your education…is this what they call: teapot calling the kettle black??? i have watched the video of the funnel being turned upside down it was real informative…i didn’t know the funnel could be turned upside down…but wait theres more…. i will blindly go to the store and give the cashier 50$ for a brown paper bag filled with a guide on how to shop at her store. then i will be led to another store where i can purchase a product for more money that i probably can’t afford and i will learn more about nothing and hopefully get enough stupid people to do the same thing. and of course there is nothing bad to say about it they have flooded the search engines with so much crap nothing good can get thru…congrats on trying to open peoples eyes with a dollop of logic
One of my major beefs with this system is that they market it as being completely automated and claim that the website they provide will do all the work for you. Then as Jonathan said back in early December, that is simply not the case. Like any business you have to work hard at it.
Unfortunately, most people buy into this because they think it will be easy money and then later they find out they actually have to work hard, and in a lot of cases they just can’t or won’t do it, even though they’ve already blown the money.
If something sounds too good to be true,
BEWARE. A sucker is born every minute.
As one gentleman said, I’m also looking for a part-time home business opportunity for when I retire. I saw the advertisement and started to do my homework. I’ve been burned twice and one recently with a timeshare, so I’m ecstatic about reading this information and finding other complaints on the RFS. I’ve never believed in the “get-rich quick” schemes because I understand to be rich and successful does entail hard work. Folks please do your homework and be thorough. We work way too hard to give our money away for free.
Answer this ONE QUESTION:
What are you selling?
Thanks
Yeah, I’d like to know that one too: “What are [they] selling?”
Moreover, I’m surprised no one made mention about that $300 MONTHLY service fee, just to have that funnel thing stuffed up your ass, so you can use it.
Here’s a quote from that shit-hole site:
“What Does It Take To Get Started?
…What’s your investment for all this?
…investment of just $50.00.
…You will be able to utilize this powerhouse system for only $299.00 per month. All YOU have to do is implement my System, and you could recoup your investment in as little 24 hours, every month after, the system will pay for it self.”
Something else I’ve noticed gives me pause: “…will pay for it self.” Isn’t that one of those bullshit lines that timeshare con-artists use to make a sale?
Hmmm… seems a little messed…or maybe a lot messed.
I’m an entrepreneur, and I majored in Business Administration and Minored in Business Management, and if I’m gonna get involved in any joint venture with anyone, I need to know at least three things: what’s the product/service, what’s in it for me, and what’s in it for you.
Ty tried to guess-timate the “what’s in it for me” part with lofty claims of “1K-3K a day,” but didn’t provide any information on the product, nor anything else on what’s in it for him (besides the $50 initial + the $300 MSF).
So yeah…from a business perspective, it’s a “no go.” I only enter into a business opportunity when the environmental forces have been clearly defined, and there is sufficient information to analyze a prospectus with Porter’s Five-forces Model.
But if anyone can provide all the requisite industry and environmental information, maybe I’ll reconsider, but, for now, I’m with the general consensus that this seems to be scam.
It’s a complete scam. I speak from experience. I bought in, dropped probably $8k, got 17 paid $50 leads in maybe 5 or 6 weeks but none of them came through except 1, then I found out you don’t get paid on your first one because it qualifies your downline, though the video explicitly says that if you buy the platinum package, which I did, then you automatically qualify your tier 1, but this wasn’t the case. Anyway, to make a long story short, these guys won’t allow anything “negative” on the phone calls, they’re all a bunch of law-of-attraction marketers spewing from the empty into the void, not acknowledging the fact that they’re profiting off of other’s naivete. I got burned but I learned a good lesson — I will never do anything like this again. Fuck the RFS. I worked 60 hrs. a week and I know a bit about internet marketing, as I did it professionally for the last 2 years for an upright organization in SF, so they’re full of shit, and I hope they come crashing down forever.
I read through all of your comments and opinions, and i havent pin pointed any real evidence. i checked out the site, then checked the reviews, then asked marketing affiliates and then actual marketing companies. even the owner of starsky energy of oklahoma. he uses it and earsn over 25,000 in extra money. i know and dont’ want to hear you winey stuff, i wont really care, but most of you make your claims and havent even tried it, let alone study the rfs thouroughly. i did, bout it and i make more thtan 35,000 dollars a month. and i’m only 18. for every program out there, there is always people like you who complain about it. and i know why, it just didn’t work for you because you expected fast rich money, which is not true, unless you win the lottery. things take time, patience is a virtue, use it, don’t abuse it. and don’t be jealous that i make more money than you, because i don’t waste my time complaining, i use my time to make money, shit, by the time i’m thirty, i probably will have make more money that your entire family tree. but like i said, until you give it time to work then don’t be a douche bag and create a blog website like this to bitch about your failure. ty coughlin says you can make a whole lot of money, but i knew that part not to be true. you may not make 100,000 in 3 months, but probably, and most prominent, 15 thousand or more a month. now tell me, all the the people who are really trying to get by in life on paycheck to paycheck, would 15 thousand a month be better than what you make? so stop bitching and take in the fact that just because you arent make the money he says you will, you will still make enough money to probably quit your job and finally enjoy your life. i am, and i have never gotten a job, just the rfs, yeah, i’m the most popular man in school. that was too all you bitching nerds and asshole who have nothing to do but complain. espicially this gatorbyte, your probalby a nerd who jerks off to roadhouse every night. but don’t always take things for granted, this rfs system really works, and i’m a paying member who is really sucessful at it. and i enjoy my life with my 1977 smokey and the bandit trans am. so go and do it, you will be glad you did.
P.S. Gatorbyte, pleas get a life and try the rfs, i don’t mean to be so mean to you, but i know you havent tried it because you complaing about it. it works, you just need to try kiddo.
oh yeah, the rfs sells timeshares for real estate, and luxery get aways. so theres you product, so no more “what am i selling.”
If the only success in your life, is about money,then go for it!!! My success in life, is about looking forward to go to work, and knowing that what i do is for real. In the end, it`s people like the guys at rfs that breakes down the society withinn. And for you chris, ifeel sorry for you man.
I have loved this. I wonder why so much controversy. It is a RIP OFF, a robery, full stop. the guys involved should be jailed for deception.
@chris: You want to know why I don’t believe a word you say? Because successful businessmen know how to capitalise the “I” when using it to refer to themselves. If you can’t even do that much, then your resume is straight in the bin.
@Jeremy: Feel free to pay ME $50 for membership into whatever you like. Hell, I’ll even create a me fan club, just for you to join. Provided you pay me the $50 up front. Moral of the lesson: membership to anything is only worth something if it generates money in return. Otherwise it’s an empty title.
@Jonathan: Well, I did watch some of your youtube stuff, and wondered what you were taking when you were recording it. All the “this is cool” comments… And for all those “sales” that people closed, I saw no proof that anyone actually did anything. ‘What you guys are gonna see is truly impressive’ – well, I wasn’t impressed. A few hyperlinks to a few figures. No proof that anyone made any money. And what’s with the ‘duplicate’ and ’stars’ references?
Most amusing of all, the very first video in this thread that you talk about, has actually been REMOVED from YouTube as a terms of use violation. “Look at my team sales for yourself” you cry, but oops, that video too has been removed due to violating the terms of use.
When Google finally catch up to the scam and block the use of its keywords through adsense, “Reverse Funnel System” will vanish overnight, and those who are still paying in – well, their money will vanish too.
It’s a pyramid scheme. A Ponzi. Pure and simple. Don’t get taken for a fool. Steer clear.
I did a search on “reverse funnel system” on Google… And what I found amusing was that the first whole page or so of entries were all “shills” for them. They used several different domains to create “review” sites that give an opinion on the RFS and they always conclude (quite objectively!) that the RFS is wonderful and you should try it! And several of the sites used the same cut and paste text. If that doesn’t scream scam I don’t know what does. Trying to block as many of the sites with actual opinions as possible with their own BS ones. Hilarious.
Yes the Reverse Funnel is system is more hype than results for most people. But the product they market, the Global Resorts Network product is actually a great product backed by a 22 year old timeshare company. The product itself will save you tens of thousands over a lifetime if you are into week long stays at 4 star timeshares around the world.
I use a different system that finds people who have a long list of customers who might be interested in this product and I introduce it thatway. I have a great team and great mentorship. This allows us to be very successful with Global Resorts Network.
The Reverse Funnel System will soon be adding other income streams to it, but I am happy marketing this product to end use customers who will use it and not have to for over $5-30k for a timeshare.
If you are interested in being with a team of leaders who market the product and not some hype system let me know. All the best in 2008.
Chris
Who knows. I’m on the outside looking in. Every single person can’t be having great success in this or any other business. Some will always fail – it happens everywhere (even in Corporate America where you can lose your job through no fault of your own – downsizing). So all these people should realize that BEFORE getting started. So what someone would want to know is what does it take to actually succeed in this business (probably a lot of hard work). If that scares anybody or makes them mad, they need to find a nice job working for someone else. Every business requires hard work. The RFS people do hype a lot, but I haven’t seen many sales campaigns that don’t do some sort of sensationalizing. The internet is full of that. Even the creator of this site is using negative publicity to promote it by letting people bash RFS here. But I don’t see anything wrong with that. It’s done all the time. Anything that has positive press (regardless of how that press got there) can be reverse promoted, made fun of, or bashed to promote something else. Tabloids do it all the time.
And certainly, people shouldn’t decide that RFS (or any business) is a scam just because there were some additional costs or things didn’t happen the way they were advertised. Have you ever dealt with a car salesman? They’re not going to jail or going out of business (in general). The advertisement is only one possible outcome that you might have (however unlikely it may be).
From what I’ve read, there is a product through Global Resorts Network – and they’re real enough if you look them up. That’s what they’re selling (along with “The Dream”).
There is no such thing as get-rich-quick. No business should imply that and even if they do (because a lot programs out there talk about people having fast results) don’t get mad. They are probably trying to hype up their isolated, individual success stories. We see that all over the web and the TV infomercials with a little disclaimer underneath. Check yourself if you expected to “automatically” have those results. The real question is HOW MANY of those TRUE isolated success stories are there. If there are much more than other programs then that’s a plus. I don’t care if there are far more that fail than succeed. Most businesses are like that – especially small businesses. How can I be one of those that succeed is what I want to know. Again, most likely hard-work is the answer along with persistence. Many people succeed only after many failed attempts. RFS probably is no different in that it sounds like you have to locate a lot of people to find the few that will really hang in there, in spite of all the costs.
And to that 18 year old kid who says he’s making a lot of money in RFS: if you are making that kind of money, you can misspell and not capitalize as many words as you want to as far as I’m concerned. Who cares? You certainly weren’t writing a resume for a J-O-B if you have that sort of money. There are enough multi-millionaires out there who never went to college (or finished high school) and can’t write worth a darn. Heck, you are probably writing the way you kids send text messages anyway.
Ok, so now to all those that support RFS:
If you’re dealing with GRN then you’re doing network marketing (hold on – nothing wrong with that – that form of marketing is legit). Maybe you have a new spin on things to increase the odds of success (only 3% in network marketing or MLM ever make any profit from what I’ve read) but still the failures will still far outweigh the success stories. That’s usually due to a combination of people not willing to work for themselves as hard as they would for someone else (giving up) and the company treating its sales force unfairly in some way or not training them properly to successfully market. Usually the person’s sponsor or local group handles most of the training and none of them really know what they’re doing except repeating what was told to them. Now I know you have training calls and I have snuck in on a few because yes, I paid the $50 to check you out. It was worth $50 to find out if RFS was for me or not. Anyone reading this who complains about the $50 is proving the weed out argument. Complainers usually don’t succeed . . . in anything. I did hesitate, but in the end knowing if the whole thing was for me was worth $50. $2995 and all the other costs is a different story. I was pleased however, to find out that $35 of the $50 goes back to whoever the rep was that hosted the site I paid the $50 on. The calls I attended at first were geared towards getting those who paid the $50 off the fence – one way or the other. The hype seemed to stop here. I did like that. And they opened the calls up for questions for 45 minutes of the hour the call lasted. After a few calls I was able to get the times of training calls for the members since they annouced when they would be. I listened to a training and again, no hype. It was straight forward and the frequency of those call during the week seemed to be enough to help anyone at least get started. But not enough to really succeed. The training was done well but it seemed to general. I haven’t seen your platform because I’m not in, so I know I didn’t see everything everybody else saw who following along with the trainer on their computer in their back office and ad console. Of course there were those on the call who hadn’t made any money yet and those that had – that was to be expected. From what I could gather, the greater chance for success lies in the additional training help you can get from your team leaders that are documented as profitable. A lot of the “heavy-hitters” were said to be having their own training calls and materials exclusively for their downlines. I got some e-mails inviting me to some of those. There does seem to be a schedule of other calls for motivation, tax help, etc. and what ever other resources that are available in the back office. So does RFS give a person at least the chance to succeed if they got in now, worked at it more than 2 months and didn’t quit? I don’t know. As much as I searched for a reason to definitely not do it (as far as whether it was something I would do myself – not if YOU would personally do it but if I WOULD DO IT), I couldn’t. But it doesn’t leave me with that “This is IT!” feeling either. So I don’t know. You’re talking a lot of money for the average guy here. So I want to be sure – for me – not anyone else. And that comment made in an ealier post about the system awarding some prospects that paid to the wrong reps scared me. Especially since it was implied that it was done intentionally. I try to pull the facts out of all the opinions I see and size them up for myself. I don’t care who is bashing, who has got in and failed, who is kissing its butt, or who has succeeded. All the programs out there claim to have “the ANSWER”, but who really does? Me. I do – at least for myself. And you do too – for yourself. So I’m listening to a few more calls, reading, and getting some more facts. I personally know people who have paid a lot more than $2995 to get into something like this on the internet and have made a lasting profit. I know a whole lot more that lost their shirts. It’s cold where I live right now. I need my shirt. But I wouldn’t mind getting a whole wardrobe to go with it. So I’m still researching.
hey PJ…and all the rest of you.
I have purchased into the reverse funnel system and this is my take on it.
- true, not everybody can make money. that does not prove that it’s a scam, that just proves, that it’s a business. on most sales-tracks it’s like that, the 80/20 rule applies.
- someone who does not have 5 grand comfortably lying around, should simply wait. no reason going into this with feelings of anxietey. this is not going anywhere soon. and for the sceptics, remember there will be 6 more streams of incomes soon. the resort membership is just the first one.
- the picture of the reverse funnel is more a word picture. it means to say that most prospects won’t even see what it’s about cuz they are generally sceptical anyway, noone will persuade them. it wouldn’t occur to them to pay 50 bucks, so don’t even bother. yes, it is ironic that it looks like a pyramid when portrayed the way it has been drawn here.
- consider this: this is not for everyone and 3-5 grand may be a lot of money. however, so is 250 k for a mc donald’s franchise.
- the ones that make money are NOT necessarily the ones at the top. everybody is the top from their own perspective, and everybody is certainly from his own perspective the head of something that would look possibly like a pyramid. NOW, my friends, we must decide one thing, though. is it the WORD pyramid that bothers us or is it a pyramid scam and schmeme, that we are having issues with? for that….I am lacking the energy here. figure it out for yourself, go to wikipedia.com etc, then decide for yourself. but ask yourself how many things in real life you can come up with where one is the real thing and one is the fake, one thing is used for the good, while someone else uses the same thing for the bad, and so on.
- satuaration: nobody can forsee the future, but we can educate ourselves. goto
vacation ownership generates billons and billions and billions and billions of dollars every year and has been around for 40 years. it’s not going to happen, guys. not any time soon.
- also consider in this context, that the RFS is also selling a business-idea AND that it sells on greed. ok, complain about it, but what works on me and you will work on countless others. it is the selling that is so good here.
once you pay your 50 bucks, you will see what I mean. If you found the beach bum a bit funny, you will be tingling with excitement, cuz after the 50 bucks…man, coughlin puts on one hell of a sales-pitch. they show the compensation plan and all that.
you may want to move around the following questions in your minds. I am not saying I am having the answers, I am just saying I am asking myself as well.
Some products saturate at some point. Example: nokia handies.
Some don’t. Mc Donald’s. And food in general. This is quite obvious, people always need food.
Now: Timeshare.
Shoes.
Dive Classes.
etc. all kinda don’t, or at least hardly. Why is that? Could it be cuz there is always more people being born that represent the new market for these products? Analyse it, at the end the choice is yours. Yes, it will take a lot of effort, but yes, the rewards can at least be staggering, cuz the market for greed….which is the product we are ultemately talking about here….will not. If you go for it, go for it.
If you don’t, risk something at some point. Wherever you are, whatever you do.
Mark
I’d love to have you on my team. It’ll be a rocky road, committed individuals only.
You know, Idiots who say something can not be done should not interrupt those who are doing it. I wonder if Rich Devos and Jay VanAndle’s heirs are mad because they did not give up on Amway/Quixtar (that has made them Billionaires) said it would not work. You know there are 3 kinds of people in this world. 1. People that make things happen. 2. People that watch things happen. 3. People that wonder what happened. You have just told us which kind of person you are. Oh by the way I am not even in RFS yet, but being a person that makes things happen I think I will join. Maybe I will even come back in 30 to 60 days and let you know how it is going.
Blessings to All
This is so obvious. “The $50.00 to find out what the product is” is the SCAM. How many $50.00 do they get ??? This is what they are all about. The rest is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention fron their real intention, AND THATS TO GET YOUR $50.00. I think anyone with legal knowledge will point out that it’s the $50.00 that is ILLEGAL, not the RFS.
Do the math:-
100,000 x $50 = $5,000,000
200,000 x $50 = $10,000,000
500,000 x $50 = $25,000,000
1,000,000 x $50 = $50,000,000
Think this is impossible???? How many people do you think have joined Amway and the like, over time ?
They have only a passing interest in the rest of their RFS scheme.
Hey, I have read SOOOOO much in doing my due diligence for RFS…
Phong K: To set the record straight before you go destroying hard earned reps, you need to reread the info on the link you provided…there is infact NO complaint on this site lodged against Global Resorts Network it IS in point of accurate fact sending out a fraud alert against Global Resort SERVICES not an a.k.a. for GRN nor for RFS. Reps are very hard to earn and just such irresponsible negative word of mouth accusations can and has meant death for many a business. Try having your own.
As for the rest of you…
Jonathan I give you kudos on your tenacity for your belief in RFS and you need that in ANY venture you sink yourself into. I have read your comments on EVERY site where there is negativity towards RFS-chill man! There may not be close to atrillion people in this world but it is sure you will get your piece of this pie. You do not have to be a one man army waging war in defense of RFS. Through the ages, there have ALWAYS been disbelievers and synics about EVERYTHING…look at God-need I say more(and no lets not turn this into a God issue just an example of an age-old battle of creationism verus evalution)-there always will be. We as a supposed intelligent lifeform have the ability and gift of freedom of choice and thinking. So just accept it and focus on the positives of your laser accuracy.
As for the rest- I see plenty of sceptics due to personal life disappointments or those of close loved ones. No one really is right in this -it works for some and it doesn’t for others. It is what you make of it right…I think thats what I was raised with. We have SO MANY choices in life(too many I fear, its getting awfully cluttered in the grocery stores now and have you noticed when you finally find something you love they NEVER have it,huh solve that one)which only goes to show we are as different and diverse as our choices. We don’t all like the same things nor do we all fit into the same niches. So why try forcing a square in a circle just find what works with and for you.
Yeah, I have been scammed and there is a legitimate need for the “watchdogs” we have, but so far there is no conclusive evidence its a scam and by the way NOT ALL MLM’s were scams-Mary Kay, Melaleuca-great products and people have and still are making good money in them.
Keep an eye on them and don’t be so jealous either. There are obviously enough people making great money off RFS NOT just Ty and The Inner Circle or there would be many many more negs on the net. The figures collectively show that there is alot of financial activity and yet not very many complaints in the scheme of it..and yes I think over 6mths is plenty of time for the proverbial “shit” to be rising to the top or sinking to the bottom whichever the case may be.
We have all been scammed at some point in our lives and having owned my own businesses anything worth having takes time energy effort and patience=hard work, perserverance, education, and diligence-oh and I forgot MONEY and usually lots of it. I have a friend in RFS have seen the checks myself so it is real and I am not in it as of yet…doing my due diligence too but I would really appreciate FACTS not opinions or “what I sumize or assume to be true” I want first hand facts and details so I can make an educated not an emotional decision. Just like statistics aren’t necessarily a true disection of something there are so many variables you’d almost have to interview people personally on both sides to work it out.
I want to succeed. I am a single mom of 5 and I need to succeed! I need the opportunity and chance to change our path…as with each of us we want to be able to give to our families every opportunity they deserve the chance at. So please shut the proverbial debating up and GIVE ME PROOF!!!!!Contact me at if you have any real info for me.
Oh and Jerry I’m inclined to agree and “see YOU on the otherside” too
well i would like to thank everyone for there individual opinions on this, i stumbled cross it the other day and decided to do some research, i understand the fundamentals, but for me i dont have the time to do it, which it was nice to see jonathan stressing that it does require your time and effort
This is a Must READ!
I have owned and operated a successful real estate investment company in the Chicago area for the past 10 years. During that time we did really well. However as an investor you speculate and make moves in the market. On one of our largest speculative projects, the local real estate market crashed (reversed) and I lost about everything that I ever saved. I have made a lot of dollars, and then lost them.
In October of last year while surfing the internet, I came across the RFS System. Due to my immediate need for cash, the pay plan and the RFS claims ALL found my gullible spot. From October 22nd through today (Feb 02, 2008), I have spent 10 plus hours, 7 days a week placing free ads and paid ads where the gurus “Say to do it”. I have invested my last $9,000 trying to achieve the sales claims that RFS presents. Every Friday morning I would listen to the call where some reps would say on air that they are making $60k + per month. Again, it would hook the anchor in and I would get in a frenzy putting more ads out that ever before. I have had over 13,000 people visit my site, and I have had over 1300 people opt in for more information. Four months and my last $9,000 and I still have yet to get the first sale! CAUTION … WATCH OUT … BE CAREFUL! My Sponsor told me that he was making $1,000 for every 130 people who opted in. Based on his ratios, about 13 people would have bought the product. But none have.
Perhaps I didnt market to the “right” place, perhaps it was a stroke of bad luck, or perhaps as the previous post above have stated, “most people won’t make money with this”. In closing I would like to EXPOSE this! My opinion of Global Resorts Network as a company is very high. The Luxury Travel Membership that they offer is highly respected. And as many of you know, the “product” behind the Reverse Funnel System is indeed the Luxury Travel Membership from GRN. The past couple of weeks I have found out some interesting information that I would like to share with you. If you would like the opportunity to sell the exact same Luxury Travel Membership with the exact same pay plan (after your activating sale), through Global Resorts Network, you can get set up for free. You dont even have to buy the travel membership to become an affiliate. The one thing that Global Resorts does require is that you use their presentation web site which cost about $8 per month ($100 bucks per year). There are no other fees required.
I personally got caught up with the high claims of income that were being claimed by other “new” RFS members, and I foolishly jumped on board. As of today, I don’t believe in RFS nor do I have any money left to market it even if I did! The people that I have found who have made money with the RFS are network marketers who already had a huge opt in list that they mass mailed the opportunity out to, internet marketers who had an insiders knowledge of things like social networking sites (My Space, Face Book, etc), You Tube Videos, Writing Ezine Articles, or those who had a good sum of dollars to throw at higher cost items such as a strong Google ad campaign. If you don’t fall into any of those categories, be sure to save your money and sign up with GRN as a free affiliate. Best of Success to all!
Renata
Thank You so much for your story.
Marketing schemes like RFS prey on people like you and me. Fortunately, this time I’m able to see how good, honest like yourself do exactly what they say and it still doesn’t work. I’m never really sure if these schemes work for anyone except for the one who starts it. Its like the stock market-if I know about a great stock, then its probably too late to get in and make money with it.
There is a note in the list of comments about making anything legal. Its states all you have to do is apply a product and you have a legal marketing plan. I am sorry, this is naive.
This is a post as follows;
Carson Hensley on October 13th, 2007 10:26 pm
Here is what the law says in layman’s terms;
In the 1979 U.S. Supreme Court decision that has become known as “The Amway Exception” it was not product that made Amway legal, not at all. Remember, they had product before they were charged and had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to prove for the first time that this style of business now known as Network Marketing, then more often referred to as MLM, was legal.
The decision is more or less paraphrased as saying “if the last person that gets in can make money merely by retailing the product, then it is not an illegal pyramid”. In other words, to be legal you not only need a product/service but also a retail opportunity too.
What remains is to decide whether or not the RFS actually qualifies as a pyramid first. It is only required to have retail opportunity if it is, as many businesses do not have a retail opportunity but they are not pyramids.
It is not specifically the structure that causes a pyramid but the flow of the compensation. In RFS case the money goes “up” using what is called a “one-up” compensation plan, which is my opinion as a marketer and not a lawyer does qualify as what might be considered an illegal pyramid if there is no retail opportunity.
Can anyone buy it that does not want to get into the scheme? Remembering that scheme is not a word that designates legality at all, it is like saying “plan” or “business model”. Having made that distinction I would say that the answer is “NO, no one would pay for it unless they were getting into RFS!”
If I am wrong I must apologize. If I am correct then this probably is an illegal pyramid. It is what I like to call a “pseudo Network Marketing company”, not really Network Marketing and not GIFTING but some where in between.
What is worry some about RFS is not that it did not work, it did. If it had not worked there would not be a thread here with this many posts or any PPC ads – there would not be the volume on Google to warrant the sponsored links at the top of the search (only on the side).
RFS worked – at least for a while. The MATH on any automated plan, such as sales-o-matic.com, which is long gone, that created a frenzy about 4 years ago, is such that there is no way that this is sustainable for the masses.
The issue of the people at the tip make money is irrelevant in my opinion. I am okay with those who take the early risk getting the reward, as with everything in life. What I see is that there simply are not enough email addresses to sustain this style of marketing.
Email, is cheap, that is why auto responders were invented. But the results are low, so after a while the people who are apt to look have looked, then, because the results are low from any automation plan, the number of people searching for an opportunity each month will not sustain the needs for the whole. That is when it begins to collapse on itself.
Sales-o-matic.com generated 99,000+ requests for information in 10 weeks. Quite a bit more successful than RFS, but that was due to who was behind it. The point is, within 3 months every email address on the planet that was opt-into any topic had been hit on the sales-o-matic plan/scheme/business model. Result slowed, then it took weeks to get what people got in days, eventually you would have to wait years to generate decent results unless you augmented them with personal effort.
The MATH and the laws of probability don’t lie. It took us 20 million email addresses to get to 99,000 sign ups. How many opt-in email that connect do you think there are?
Out of the gate, every few years this kind of thing will hit the market again. And, though I am not trying to hrut the owners or participants in RFS, even if it is legal, the conversion rates of real prospects to participants is very low, meaning that you will eat through every opt-in email address and PPC lead within months, nevr mind years, then how to the last few thousand make money?
Look, this will emphasize the point; if 5,000 jumped in and 3,000 were on the bottom level (last people to come in), how many would have to jump in to have each of these three thousand with 5,000 in their groups? 15 million. Then 450 million in the next generation.
I don’t know what the numbers are, but if the person at the top has 5,000 it stands to reason that the last person in will not get 5,000 until the one at the top has 15 million or so. And those at the bottom then needs hundreds of million to join in order to get to the same stage.
This is over simplified, I grant you. But that’s the numbers.
The problem with RFS is not that it did not work. It is not that they charged $50 to learn something, it is not that the law is probably against this, it is not that it is a scam … it is that the MATH does not work.
Automated recruiting systems cannot succeed for more than a few. Period. We proved it years ago, RFS is in the process of proving it again. And, I predict, this is not the last time this fact will be proven. DO THE MATH … !
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The $50 application fee is to weed out the tire kickers and curious people from the people who are looking to make money.
It’s called a funded proposal.
The RFS offers a real product with real value. Global Resorts network has has been around for many years.
The problem with the system is the lack of personal branding and lack of education in marketing the site correctly. This is a legit company and the comp plan is rediculous.
Hmm, smells like Global Prosperity revisited. I was suckered on that on in the 80’s; lost over $12k, but hey, I did go to Jamica “chasing their dream for me”.
Never again, at least not like that!
Pissed off!
Go look at the Global Resorts website…It too hardly even explains what is being offered. They basically tell you, pay $3,000 and you can go anywhere you want for 7 nights, as much as you like…Hmmmm somehow I don’t think that’s all there is to it. RFS is a complete, traditional scam. Only idiots market scams in such recognizeable form: Guaranteeing lots of money without telling you what to do; lots of capital letters and exclamation points; doesn’t take any hard work; barely have to know how to use a computer….come on retards couldn’t you have at least disguised it to look a little more legit?? It’s people like you who are the filth of the Earth….karma.
Jorge,
“filth of the earth” is extremem don’t you think… They don’t guarantee alot of money at all and they do tell you how it has been done before…from your statement you show you are actually ignorant of doing any due diligence on RFS or GRN. Its obvious you have been scammed before from your attitude and I’m sorry for you…however, amway, mary kay, tupperware, discovery toys, none are scams and they didn’t steal anyones money and didn’t guarantee any monies and showed how things were done in the past and proven track record methods-would you call them the “filth of the earth”? There are many people who didn’t make it work for themselves and there were many people that did! Don’t be one of the turkeys trying to clip the wings of the eagles. Perhaps you will be an eagle in another industry or opportunity and how would you feel when a turkey came along trying to clip your wings?
If this is not your path not a business that is a niche for you then find yours but don’t begrudge those whose path this is and who have found their niche with RFS/GRN. There is a product and there are people making legitimate money and the product is sound reputable and fills a need in the much demanding market of travel.
Everyone has their own priorities yours may not be travel and mine might be so what interests you doesn’t me…the old addage- one mans meat is another man’s poison- applicable true?
Anyhow, karma is a “bitch” excuse the language, and there are reputable people in all businesses and disreputable individuals in all business do your due diligence and you’ll find both and line up with whichever side it is you fall on.
Integrity Jorge is the key.
Here’s to hoping you find your vehicle and your success.
Thanks for leaving the rest of us alone in ours.
..whichever/whatever they may be
Well, this is an interesting perspective on the Reverse Funnel System; however if you do the research, you will find the incredible amount of success that people are embarking on with it. To Refute some of your points:
The Service provided within the Reverse Funnel System is actually a travel program through Global Resorts Network offering a lifetime membership. If you pull them up on the Better Business Bureau website you will find that Global Resorts Network GRN has been in business for over 19 years with not a single complaint. That is impressive for any industry.
Promoting your business through bashing others’ businesses is not the best way to go about creating and maintaining credibility…especially using profanity to do so. This usually only gets people more interested in what you’re bashing because of the buzz that it’s creating. Anyone on the internet can post whatever info they want. When people see desperation in your approach to sell a service, most savvy consumers will run for the hills.
I don’t want to waste anymore of my time critiquing this approach to bashing peoples’ business, so you can go ahead and use profanity and bash this reply as you please.
I can sum it up in one 4 letter word “SCAM”
“Reverse Funnel System – Scam?”
Why did you use a question mark in that sentence? It’s not that hard to spot a pyramid scheme. And this one isn’t even that clever… Mister Ponzy would not be proud of this one.
And by the way, forget about the $50 up front fee. The real money is made with the monthly fees (in this poor excuse for a pyramid the fees are for web hosting or whatever)… The dumbasses will keep paying month after month, cause they don’t want to face the fact that they were conned.
My view on pyramid schemes: the ignorants/greedy bastards who fall for that kind of crap deserve to lose their money, the shills like Jonathan deserve to get their ass kicked by the people they conned (and that is in fact very likely), and finally the guy at the top (Ty whatever) deserves to spend some time in jail, where he would soon find himself in the bottom of the sex pyramid…
Hello,
My name is Trevor I live in Toronto. Financially I am well off I take part in these systems as a hobby to find out if they actually work. Believe it or not without going too much into detail this program has worked for me. I thought it might have been a scam like the rest because of the poorly designed website, but it turned out to be legit.
I was thinking about trying this RFS thing out. I would like to thank all of you for your comments.
Now the $50 upfront fee was already mentioned by many of you and some people mention the $300 monthly fee, but on this website residualatm under the application link, they clearly state “You should have a minimum of $2k-$5K (minimum) in start up capital.”
Now I don’t know if this RFS works or not, but to use that much money just to try it is not for me.
Just my opinion.
Pyramids have evolved. Technically the new generation are considered legal because they are attached to legit, often high quality products or services. There is a product or service for the last person in to sell. However if you listen to any of them the sales pitch has little to do with the product, which is just there to lend credibility. The sales pitch is always about financial independence and chucking the corporate 9 to 5 rat race etc.
Throwing in the caution that it takes effort and dedication, is not so much a disclaimer but rather lends legitimacy, positioning this as not a get rich quick scheme but a real opportunity for a go-getter. Never mind that what attracted us to it in the first place was the notion of easy money.
So the actual product is “the dream” People care less about any end product being sold but rather how many people they can get under them also pretending that they are selling a product. You will never make a lot of money retailing the high quality end product whether its Amway, Usana, etc. You’ll make lots of money appealing to people’s greed and in some cases desperation.
Apparently no seller of these dreams likes to admit to this. Probably because no one would buy.
If you have to mask the real product, then while the system may be considered ligit the transaction starts feeling very dishonest.
If you can replicate that transaction over and over again and get others to do it for you without it bothering your conscience then you’ll be successful.
You guys are all idiots. RFS is nothing more than a database filled with 2,000+ websites where you can advertise the “product” (which yields you $500/$1000 commission every sale.) Add an easy-to-navigate interface to track if your getting the traffic you paid for, and that is the RFS system.
The RFS does not make you money. You pay $300/month for updated information on new sites you can advertise on, marketing tips, and a whole bunch of mumbo jumbo from Ty and his team. In reality, they are making $1,000’s upon thousands off every NEW AFFILIATE’s sales (which would be, YOU), plus the $300/month “service fee” for being provided with what seems an endless list.
The downside: there’s sites you’ll never, ever make a sale on, your losing $300/month on information you could of gathered yourself, and plus, you DO NEED sufficient start-up capital.
And the product your selling: membership to a travel club. Pay $299-$699 for 4-5 day trips, all airfare & hotel included, anywhere in the world.. 3-year membership $1500, unlimited membership $3000. You make $500 on 3-year memberships, and $1000 on lifetime memberships.
Somewhere, Ty is going “damn, he just revealed the secret.” Sorry bud, there’s somebody here racking in $15k+/month, without paying YOU $300/month, and giving NO ONE a downline.
Good luck guys.
It was great reading these opinions here. I opted into RFS the first week of January, I have my platinum membership to GRN. I am limited on my advertising budget so I wont be getting the results the big boys will, But I am getting results. Also anyone who signs up under me gets the facts upfront so you know what you are getting involved in. As far as the $50.00 application fee, I say it is mandatory! If you do not filter out the rift raft you will spend all your time dealing with unserious people. That will sink your business. The great thing is the education I have received from this project. I have less than $10,000 total invested and I would not get what I have already received from any college or professional mentor for that price. Plus I have my Transferable membership to GRN on top of this education. I have also learned how to fine tune adwords, Write Blogs & lenses, set up autoresponder accounts,etc. It has truly given me a passion to assist other people in achieving their goals. When I make some real money with this it will allow me to also help other people that are not involved at all.
People need to look at the entire picture of the world. The operation of this business Alone has created a huge tidal wave of cash going to businesses online. Godaddy (how many URLS have they sold and hosted, Aweber autoresponders, Google, Yahoo, We could go on and on.
Business creates Jobs!
The bottom line is that business is not for Everyone.
Do not beat me up too bad
Please leave your comments
Regards:
Dirk
Dirk,
You have put in close to $10,000 in last six weeks and yet you say “When I make some real money with this….”.
According to the blurb you should be making money within days.
Smell the coffee – you have been had.
I think this has been saturated 100-fold. I would expect more RFS’ers to come forward with their results. Mostly bad.
And anyone defending it ‘with passion” was likely a first-stopper on the ride and is still making money at the top (or bottom) of the funnel while the first-time greenies take a cold, hard bath.
My best guess is that if you joined later than September 2007, you’re only satisfaction is knowing you are making others richer, and not yourself. 90 days is a good enough test, I am giving them them 6 months to keep it real. When your marketing funds run out, where is RFS and the “team” then?
But you do get a good education.
The same type of education you would likely get if you ventured past the “DANGER – HARD KICKING MULES” sign while trespassing at the local barnyard at 3am drunk.
Regards,
Robert
So interested to read here. Interested to learn from someone who not only tried the RFS but then also LEFT IT?? I have promoted the RFS only for a while before I quit. I am still promoting the product (Global Resorts Network), though. At first, when I was still new and excited, I thought: what is everyone complaining about, 300 bucks a month, so what? Did these people never hear about something called “business expenses”??? What’s wrong with that? Anyway. I actually switched team, because I have converted to the good old self-branding approach. Thank God my funds hadn’t cleared with GRN, so I easily could. NOW THIS IS NEWS: Now, just recently, there is a way that compromises right in the middle. It’s a mega-professional MARKETING-PLATFORM called GRN TEAMBUILDER that is provided, but you keep to upload your own videos, audios, and a pic of yourself. So it’s like the RFS except totally different (same same but different, as they say in Thailand….) Instead of paying 300 dollars a month it’s 80 dollars a month and personally….the cost is much lower AND providing WAY more value. For starters, there is the ebook, that’s the teaser. That is already great value and rather than charging 50 dollars….something is being given away completely for free. Sure, it’s a sales-tool, but it’s at least for free and the content is very sincere and basically exposes “the 10 deadly lies” with regard to making money on the internet”. quite difficult to resist, because everybody considering this…..wouldn’t they want to learn about it? and yes, the content is great, no hype, honest facts. then, there is actually training modules contained within the website. what can I say? I was lost when I signed up with the RFS, though I must say that I did not get the fast-action bonuses. I don’t know what they are and if they would have made things any clearer, but when I looked around in that site that they call globalmentors, you know, it’s password-protected and all that, I was really disappointed. last but not least, the new platform offers what they call “virtual assistants”. it means, someone will call your leads for you. you actually have to pay them 200 bucks for every deal they close, then again, if you have ever tried to close someone on the phone….good luck. if you can do it yourself, you don’t have to use them. but the best thing is: one of the biggest problems RFS-marketers have, is that the follow-up emails that the system sends out very very often never get opened, because they end up in the spam-folder. and you can’t call them because at this point there is no phone-number and even if, this is against the very nature of what they are promising you: no calling. with this teambuilder, chances that the follow-up emails generated by the built-in autoresponders end up in the spam-folders are small, for people get information right after signing in (the ebook mentioned), so they will check it and “boom”, there you go, you have someone who will actually read the follow-up stuff. So to participate is so much lower, which is great, and they do it because they have found other ways to make money, which is fair, because it really scratches an itch and after all, you only pay if you want to and AFTER the sale is made. THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK
Kudo Mark,
Someone on this thread finally mentions the alternative! Say all you want about the RFS, but is isnt a scam or illegal. Buyer beware though because it is pretty difficult to get recognized out on the web with a replicated landing page branding Ty Coughlin. This is the single most perplexing issue RFS-using reps encounter. The fully automated aspects appeal to the lazy bone in all of us, & many rush into it w/o giving thought to how much competition they’ll run into with other RFS users. Jonathan (very early posts) in his own way was correct, albeit a bit crude in his delivery. Doing your research before using the RFS is wise. Also the same for GRN Teambuilder. I switched to it recently because it supports what I was already doing outside the funnel-personal branding-much better than the funnel does because of the customization features. The Virtual Assistants are professional (I tested 5 of them before joining!), and represent my biz well.
In closing, do your thorough due diligence on both systems. And kearn how to brand yourself…just like any successfull biz does, on or offline! My personal branding page where you can sign up for free 30 minute information only webinars is globalonlinesecrets dot com We cover branding during these webinars as well as the GRN product.
Forrest
Thanks for the posts Mark & Forrest. My wife joined RFS in December before we left for vacation and when we got back we started plugging away at it. Oh my Gosh! I spend so much on advertising before I started seeing results. I now have a team of 18 members which I personally mentor. I have been marketing GRN using that Beach Bum liar who said the system is duplicatable. If it is than why am I always on the phone explaining even basic stuff like how to link your domain name to your destiantion url. The training calls and training sites suck. I’ve had to become a coach and a student at the same time. My wife is an attorney and I’m an MBA with a background in Radio & Print advertising but even for us this has been anything but easy. I’ve had get my Adwords optimized, and really find creative ways to target my advertising. But I’ve been feeling sick about myself, I don’t believe in the presentation and hiding the product until you have someone pay $50. I’ve had to refunded several retirees because they thought the $50 was for the whole system or at least a down payment. Some of the emails that I get replied from Ty Coughlin’s auto-responders are from people that are really struggling and are using part of their rent money in order to have a chance to hear what Ty will do for them. He should be sent to jail. I began responding to all my paid leads with all the facts and while this may have lower my conversions, the people I have on my team are motivated. However, thank God there is something else out there. My wife and I have been researching other ways to promote GRN that is honest and focuses on the product. At the least if the customer thinks the product is garbage, he or she can make a better decision. I am at the airport right now in LA and I am flying to Ft. Lauderdale. From there we are going to take a road trip back to LA and in that time we are going to make stops at GRN sponsored resorts. Personally, nothing has convinced me that the product is that valuable other than the compensation plan. So hopefully we’ll be able to find that these resorts, which I believe are only 3 stars are at least fair in value. I had heard about GRN Team Builder for a couple of weeks now and I’m going to do a little more research before switching over to them. I did receive the free eBook and it seemed pretty sincere. Also, my upline was terrible when I joined RFS, the only thing we got from him was some lousy pre-made training website. Also, those training calls with Ty, Doug, & Don are garbage. All they talk about is positive thinking and the laws of attraction. I would beleive the same BS if I was making their kind of money. They never give you any specific advertising advice. My team and I have just decided to hold our own training where we can openly share strategic information. Since we are only a small group we don’t have to worry too much about saturating each others advertising efforts. Anyone who is thinking of joining any of these systems, whether RFS, Carbon Copy, Mass Control, GRN Team Builder, or any other Network Marketing/MLM please make sure you have a good mentor especially if you have zero experience online. The sharks at the top will eat your advertising for breakfast. They have so much leverage that unless you come in with a heavy ad budget and joint-venture partner it really is “Too Good To Be True.” Branding is the key. For those of you who are still with RFS at least there are other options. Here’s to sleeping good at night again!
hey man gator-bite, can’t you leave my link? after all you started this page and it was your intention that knowledge be shared and opinions exchanged. give my link a little chance here. all it will do is give people the chance to check it out. then they can decide for themselves and in the event that it helps them avoid the RFS they will save a lot of money, if nothing else. isn’t that a good thing????? I am not hyping anything, you see, even people that I could NEVER make money off (the guys using RFS) they could still change without having to buy anything from me. the teambuilder can be purchased on a monthly basis, but since I didn’t build it I don’t get much out of it. nothing, to be precise. If you have a problem with the RFS, give it’s alternative a chance. no lies. no high costs. a free ebook. and first class training. why wouldn’t you support that at least in a passive way? the teambuilder needs some publicity, for noone knows about it. almost. let me make it public just a little.
thanks man,
Mark
Hello everyone, I did not go through all
the replies, but enough to maybe offer some
help here. I’d like to address to things.
First, the person about Global Resorts Network
saying there was a complaint at:
That is inaccurate. The company mentioned there is Global Resorts Services, which is another
company I know nothing about.
GRN does not offer timeshares, and the company
we have partnered with has been selling these
memberships for 21 years.
I do not think you will find complaints on either
company online, and I can even provide anyone
with info that points to the other company that
provides our memberships having an excellent standing at the BBB.
I think the reverse funnel does get a lot of negative press, but there are some that love it.
Please know that GRN and RFS are two separate
identities, RFS was created by a group of people
within GRN, and is just a system to promote
our business.
In fact, members of GRN have access to multiple
systems, as low as $29.95 a month, which covers
the use of an auto responder.
Online systems are great, but anyone used,
the conversations will be higher when speaking with people. They will even tell you that as
a RFS member.
I think those seeing the best results are using a
lot of web 2.0 like youtube that actually does the speaking for them, because people feel they
know the person before joining.
But, RFS was designed to work for all, new
people and pro’s alike. The issue for many though, is the $299.00 a month to use the
system.
For many, that will cut into their advertising budget too much, and if they are not advertising
enough, they will not get any sales.
I do not use RFS myself, but I did test it out for a couple of months just to see what it was about.
I cannot say anything negative about it, been
do have issue’s with the glitches in it mentioned
earlier. They say they are working on that.
can provide more info on RFS and all systems
available to GRN members.
I hope that helps, and best wishes to all.
Cheers,
Kim Ward
This deal no different than the ads that used to be in the newspaper telling you that for a dollar you can buy a book that will tell you how to make millions. For a dollar you get a ‘book’ that tells you to place ads in the local paper reselling the ‘book’. The only difference is that instead of the newspaper they are using scripting to generate ads on the internet. By the way, these scripts are not only easy to create, they are available as freeware. If you are really interested in scamming people out of their money, just start your own ‘funnel’ for free.
Wow look at all those comments. I think gatorbyte (or whoever owns this blog) loves it. Who cares what RFS is as long as people keep coming here to talk about it. Well, folks I DID NOT get into the RFS. If you read my entry above, you’ll know I was considering it. It just didn’t “feel” right. I soon realized that I would be competing with thousands of young kid computer guru’s who were advertising like neon signs on YouTube . . . I didn’t want to be just another pretty face. And all of their websites were all different — with their own personal bells and whistles . . . no real uniformity. The teams in the RFS seemed to be like a loose federation within the opportunity. And there are just TOO MANY PEOPLE involved. Would you be able to find my website if you Googled the RFS in the middle of all the others? Can I get that good in SEO (search engine optimization) in time to make a dent in that opportunity. By the way, Tommy . . . are you there? . . . from your earlier entry here? . . . I think I know who you are and if I’m right . .. let me say I DID join your website . . . it makes sense . . . pure and simple . . . ha ha . . . Anyway guys I got into something else (along with Tommy’s deal) that I think is better. I’m not going to promote it here . . . no names at all . . . this blog is about the RFS (and gatorbyte’s traffic at the expense of the RFS) — so everyone just keep talking and talking and repeating the same things over and over and over and over again. I didn’t do the RFS. You might do it if it’s right for you. Fine. Then do it . . . or don’t do it. Whatever. This blog has so many emotional opinions going in so many different directions that it is no longer helpful in making a qualified decision. Only the moderator benefits now – from traffic. Let’s see how long gatorbyte lets this entry stay up before it gets pulled.
I do get a fair bit of traffic from this post but only around 80 to 100 hits a day, nothing overly fantastic. Very few comments get deleted from it. The bounce rate for this post is practically 100% so it’s not like the traffic is all that beneficial. Most people click in, read the post and a few comments and then click back out again.
I choose to leave the ‘emotional’ comments in because for some people the system appears to work and for other people it hasn’t and ultimately, regardless of my feelings on the system, it’s up to each person to decide if they want to try. At least these comments have provided more answers about RFS than can be found in other places (ie: the true costs of getting started)
One thing is for sure, I saw the video briefly and I understand that these people have made a change. They talk about being ahead and using the latest technology! That’s true. No longer do they canvas by annoying phone calls but they use the internet to do it! another one of those SPAM/JUNK mails! This cool name “reverse funnel system” will only fool the half brain nitwit like Johnny pointed out. Nothing more than another quicxtar (i don’t care for it so i don’t know how to spell it) These dumb @#$# are propagating a completely false idea. No product like gatorbyte mentions or no simple example. Even their lemon marketing idea does not offer solution, just says pay me $$ and i’ll give you the perfect solution.
IT’S A SCAM !!! people have proven systems to succeed, and this is NOT one of them.
also i think this is fairly new. I like the image you used gatorbyte. just a suggestion, put a reverse pyramid chart with the two already there that shows how much $$ the guy on the top will be making if you trip on this foolish venture. That would help in discouraging the RFS scheme if the guy on top is making more.
If this was actually real, they would give full information ! When will you yanks realise that the way to riches IS NOT sticking it up your fellow Americans. Lets face it!!! If you really had the answer, you would be “living the dream”.
It’s time to stop fooling yourself and others. The U.S.A used to be the pride of the free world. Now it’s just a joke. PLEASE redeem yourselves. I know you are good people.
Today, I viewed your Republican candidate (on international TV) What a wanker !!! he explained the Iraqu situation as one that the USA is winning ! That USA casualties are going down (30 a day to 28 a day) I wonder how this “dickhead” would feel if one of those 28 per day was HIS son or daughter. Apparently the death of “some” citizens is acceptable. The USA used to be a candel to the rest of the world. Now you are becoming a joke.
WHAT’S THIS GOT TO DO WITH RFS ?
RFS is indicative of the “dog eat dog” mentality that is pervading the greatest nation in modern history. THE ROMAN EMPIRE USED TO BE GREAT.
PLEASE STOP NOW
What a shame, that more people don’t find this forum !
I AM one of those suckers. Unfortunately, at the time I researched RSF, I didn’t come across this site. I started in October 2007 by giving them $50. Then they wanted another $2995. Two weeks later another $299 and so on and so on and so on. I was layed off from my job at the end of October, so I took a chance and invested in RSF and the GRN. I had no idea how much it would cost to get started. It is now March 2008 and I have yet to make a dime. I am so far into this, I don’t know what to do. I want to bail, but then I lose it all and theres always that chance someone will buy into this….. I got involved in this knowing nothing and I was told there would be help. Well the person that got my commission keeps telling me I’m not working hard enough at advertising. I HAVE NO MORE MONEY…HOW CAN I ADVERTISE! It’s funny though, last month he called and asked how I was doing…oh great, I said. But I’m broker than when I met you. He promised me he would help me make a sale in February. I never heard from him again. Now I don’t know where to turn. Now, not only am I jobless, but I have spent alot of my savings. How stupid am I?
jeez, thanks for straightning out Mr budd for us gator-byte. My brother maxed out is credit card ($6000)on RFS, he’s been in RFS for the past 5 weeks. Guess how much he’s earned, zilch,nothing, nada. Anyway, i did warn him. That’ll be a good learning expirience. Most of this money making scams tend to give people mood swings.
Hi, I have been interning for a big law office here in Florida that was hired by a serious entrepreneur to do a research of the Reverse Funnel System and I remember that there were two experienced lawyers who investigated for over 2 weeks on the company and the system including calling the office of the attorney general, and found out that this is a legitimate home business opportunity. I remember because the client’s bill was $4,098 and some cents and I remember saying,
“Why wouldn’t someone pay that kind of money for a product that costs $3,000?”
Now, I am not in it, and I don’t have much experience with a home business, but I know that one of the lawyers purchased the membership for himself (not the business opportunity) stating: “It will be a 5-figure saving for all the trips my wife alone takes every year.”
Recently I found out that one of my friends I went to college with a couple of years ago got in the RFS in the beginning of February and he left his job last week after he said he made over $15,000 in profit.
I will purchase my membership next week when I get paid just for the vacations and if I like the product will go for the business opportunity as well.
Anyway, I guess there is no such thing as automatic millionaire as work has to be put forth, but the product is very appealing.
Just wanted to leave my experience from a position of someone who actually saw the facts!
Take care everyone!
Mary
RFS might be okay for those for who have a steady bugdet. It’s just too big a risk if you don’t know how to market in the right place. I’m still a newbie, so for all newbies, check the site above. This people guarantees you’ll earn and it’s totally FREEEEEE to join.
Hi Everyone,
I’m glad I put in the hours to research this RFS before taking the leap. The person who posted the statistics on how many millions of people would have to be reached to “make it”, impressed me the most. I like statistics and odds calculations.
It certainly is “possible” to be a success with RFS, early on, but not “probable”, once market saturation kicks in.
I’ve decided not to do it, based on the stats.
Thanks for all your comments.
Thom
I sought (the proper way to say “searched”) for “global resorts network” using Yahoo search. Except for this single web site, the first 200 found were all promotions for GRN and the reverse funnel scheme, all provided by GRN or one of their associates. Apparently not only does no one have anything bad to say about GRN (excepting this site,) but no one else besides GRN has anything at all to say about GRN. I would probably have to look down to the 500th or 1000th found entry to find some outsider’s opinion of the system.
So, let’s see… You pay them $3000. You then have to pull in at least three other people who will pay $3000 each to get your $3000 back. Then, you will either need to pull in more to make any profit, or the ones you have pulled in will have to pull others in to get that $2000 to you. . . or does the $2000 go to GRN? From everybody involved? I’m confused. The only ones I see making any money for no effort are GRN. Or whomever is running this reverse funnel scheme, if not GRN themselves. And, if all you are doing is pulling in people to pull in other people, who the heck is selling the timeshares? There isn’t even any mention of that. That $50 up front to separate the “committed, dedicated people” from the “tire kickers” sounds more like a way to separate the suckers from the suspicious. This is all really too silly.
Besides, isn’t the exchange of real property only legally available to Realtors? (capitalized because it is a registered trademark) If you don’t hold a Realty license, you can’t legally deal in real estate, be it owned, leased, rented, lent, or shared. You can be an unlicensed agent for a Realtor, but only the Realtor can sign the paperwork.
Oh, and I agree with Aussie. The US of A is going the way of the Roman Empire, although in form the fall is closer to that of the Weimar Republic. There are lots of books on the subject. Go to your local bookstore or library and bone up on it. The more people who are worried about it means there are more who might do something to stop it, or at least turn it around.
Wow I can not believe that there are still people in this world who are dumb enough to fall for this crap…..
One way to make money … HARD WORK.
HA HA HA! What a bunch of maroons! I love all of these FAKE posts too talking this garbage up (see ‘Mary” the legal intern) Look at her first paragraph:
Hi, I have been interning for a BIG law office here in Florida that was hired by a SERIOUS entrepreneur to do a research of the Reverse Funnel System and I remember that there were two EXPEREINCED lawyers who investigated for over 2 weeks on the company and the system including calling the office of the attorney general, and found out that this is a legitimate home business opportunity. I remember because the client’s bill was $4,098 and some cents and I remember saying,
“Why wouldn’t someone pay that kind of money for a product that costs $3,000?”
Love the use of such dramatic words to make the whole thing sound so authentic and SERIOUS. This is all h*rseshit and anyone who gets caught up in one of these scams is an idiot.
Name one wealthy person you know of (NOT TY) that made money through anything other than hard work…
This is no different than any other affiliate program you can sign up to on the web.
You need traffic to sell ANYTHING online. And getting traffic online is a very hard thing to do unless you pay for it.
I came across this whole RFS thing inadvertently and became intrigued by the system and its affiliation with GRN and the claims about how big money could be made.
Here’s what I’ve discovered so far:
Fact: GRN is an MLM and the product is a membership into a luxury travel club that provides what looks like great savings at 4-5 star resorts around the world.
FACT: joining GRN will cost $1495 USD for a gold membership (3 years unlimited access) or $2995 (lifetime unlimited access)
FACT: once joining, your upline will receive $500 if you take the gold membership or $1,000 if you take the lifetime membership. Not sure about this perpetual leverage concept.
This is definitely an MLM opportunity so people will respond accordingly to their own perceptions about this type of “business”. What I do know is that MLM can be all opportunity based with no unique products to stand on or they can be a good blend of product/opportunity which for me warrants further investigation.
I think the RFS concept is to basically weed out the “tire-kickers” from people ready to commit something to make something with a product that has real value. Especially now with an aging boomer population with disposable income and luxury travel being a place where they would like to invest their money. Why not save lots of money by joining this type of “club”. Seems like the timing is right for this type of product and if you can make money doing it, all the better, no?
I’m generally a conservative when it comes to income and I am by definition a millionaire but I’m tired of the rat race and would love to find an avenue to make residual income that could one day replace the income I currently have while affording me the time, on my own terms, to do what I want. This is what a lot of us are looking for, I think.
I don’t think it would be an easy task making a go of this but maybe it isn’t as difficult as it may appear by some of the skeptics on this board. Who by the way have brought nothing of value to this discussion but negative dialogue with their narrow-minded dogma and lack of supporting research. Bashing is always easy when you don’t really know what you’re talking about, no?
Not everyone is bashing the system without basis, they claim to have lost money to the system already. Of course we can’t prove or disprove this, just like we can’t prove or disprove the people that claim to be making a fortune either.
I highly recommend everyone stay clear away from RFS…but if you are already in it for a lot of money i can teach you how to get your money back…there are many free ways to promote anything…even BS like RFS… But let me be straight up I would not even get my worst enemey to join RFS…it is a horrible program…call me and i’ll set you straight on how to work online and make money helping people…and it is work but the rewards are priceless…and you can earn as much money as you would ever want and then some..have a great day guys..greg
I have a unique system for making lots of money from home:
1 Get really good at doing something that people want to pay money for. (Examples: landscaping, cooking, teaching, designing boats.)
2 Get physically fit, and well groomed. (Examples: shower regularly, maintain good dental health and appropriate weight.)
3 Develop character traits that make you stand out among your peers. (Examples: honesty/integrity, perseverance, love for your family.)
4 Get up one morning, and prepare yourself to do the thing you want to make money at. (Examples: dress like a successful cook, engineer or landscaper; collect and organize your tools of the craft.)
5 Leave your house and visit an organization that does what you want to make money doing. (Examples: schools, contractors.)
6 Tell someone there you will regularly perform for their organization the skill you have if thay pay you money regularly. (Examples: you will paint custom cars for a body shop, if the body shop gives you money; you will investigate and resolve customer complaints about the company’s product, if the company gives you money.)
7 When your offer is accepted, perform the work you have agreed to. (No examples needed)
8 Repeat from step 7, or 6, or 5, or 4, or 3, or 2, or 1, as needed.
I have hired a lot of people. Those who take these steps make lots of money. From home, or far from home.
eric ,sure thats real funny,but what if your old or have know arms or legs or maybe just one arm or your in a wheelchair…The programs i tell people about you don’t need to be strong,fit,or even smell good you don’t need to even shower all week if you want…and gas going up to $400 plus per gallon..who the hell wants to drive anywhere…I work from home full time…i love what i do…i can do it till i die…and i have complete control over when i want to work and when i don’t…most of time i work in my underwear…anyway this is a thread about reverse funnel system which i beleive is a very bad choice…anyone that wants to call me I can get you involved with a real business..like what i do…and its awesome …Have a great day..greg
CAN BOTH THE NAY-SAYERS AND ADVOCATES OF REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM BE RIGHT?
I just wanted to chime in my $0.02 here if that’s ok.
Before I start however, I just want to comment on what the term ‘Reverse Funnel’ is supposed to mean. ‘Reverse Funnel’ does NOT refer to an upside down pyramid! (or a pyramid scheme). On the contrary – ‘Reverse Funnel’ simply means that a prospect is FUNNELED through the selection process, to see whether he/she is serious about building a home-based business (and hence – another reason why one pays $50 upfront….just to take the survey and interview questions). The ‘funnel’ then weeds out the ‘tire kickers’ and people that don’t give valid reasons as to why they want to join RFS. (Just so you know, those applicants that are rejected, get a FULL REFUND of their $50. Even the ones that are accepted, get a $35 dollar refund). Anyway – I just wanted to clear that up.
Now on to my post:
Usually when two people or ‘parties’ have a POLAR OPPOSITE opinion, there are usually some major truths to BOTH sides.
As it relates to RFS, we also see this. Many of the successful entrepreneurs are quite proud of the fact that they made $100,000+ in 3-4 months. On the OPPOSITE side, you have MANY others that say, “RFS is a scam!” “I was in the program for ‘X’ amount of months and lost money! It’s a scam!” Could it be possible that BOTH sides have some validity to their comments? In my opinion, yes.
Now – is it actually POSSIBLE to earn $100,000+ in 3-4 months with a high-end direct sales company like the Reverse Funnel System. The short answer – YES…with a huge BUT.
There are 3 types of people that can EASILY make $100,000+ in 3-4 months using the Reverse Funnel System (or any program for that matter…..even an oldschool company like Amway).
1) You enter in to the program with VERY high marketing knowledge. In other words, you are already a seasoned vet…with lots of successful experiences within the Network Marketing industry. For those that excelled with the “oldschool” way (i.e. Amway, Quixtar, Herbalife, Liberty League, etc.), the Reverse Funnel System would be a breeze.
2) You, as a newbie, find a mentor that (LITERALLY) holds your hand through the process….and works with you on a daily basis. Ofcourse – these mentors are people that have made $100,000+ themselves.
If these two above criteria is met, then I believe that ANYONE could EASILY make $100,000+ with the Reverse Funnel System.
Now having said that – finding a personal mentor that will literally hold your hand is hard to come by. Personal 1-1 mentorship from a top incomer earner is out there, but it’s hard to find.
As it relates to the Reverse Funnel System, one thing that I’m proud about, is the fact that ALL training resources are available. Whether it’s e-mail marketing, ezine marketing, web 2.0 tactics, newspaper marketing, Classified ad marketing, blogging, etc., etc., you name it, RFS has it.
Thanks to some of the top leaders at RFS, RFS members have a huge advantage in buying high quality leads at extreme discounted prices (i.e. $1.95 – $2.25 per lead).
Having said that – it can still be tough for a newbie to know EXACTLY what to do on a DAILY basis. Most of the top earners of RFS are VERY nice people, but are also very BUSY people (and this is understandable since a lot of the top leaders at RFS are also leaders in the industry as well….and are involved with numerous projects).
So long story short – making (HUGE) money with the Reverse Funnel System IS possible……BUT…..there is a learning curve involved. In my opinion, if someone completely commits themselves to LEARNING about the Network Marketing industry (and the specifics of Internet Marketing), then one should expect to see $100,000+ anywhere from 9-18 months. Again – this is just my opinion. Others may agree…others may disagree.
Anyway – I appreciate your opinion (although I don’t quite agree with it…for what I perceive to be obvious reasons).
Cheers.
Kapil Desai.
I was a person who was in the reverse funnel system and left. Global resort network is a different company and the reverse funnel system is a way or program or website to use as a tool to sell for global resort network. You pay $299 I think per month to be a part of rfs. But you don’t have to sell global resort networking through rfs, you can do it by yourself or another program. Some people do make a lot of money through rfs but most of them don’t just place ads-they end up doing some form of magnetic marketing whether they know it or not.
You can learn and practice magnetic marketing selling something cheaper and when you’re good at it then go for the more expensive stuff like global resorts. So which nice geek did I leave rfs for? (Sorry guys I love you but I got ignored all the time and felt like I was floundering) Rfs is really the $299 website that has the whole $50 fee and training through rfs people. So there’s another cheaper website for selling GRN and keeping track of leads at $29.99 per month and I thought it was more user friendly.
If you want to sign up they’ll ask you for a referral number. So here’s one 139184 just for the site. Your old rfs upline always stays your upline always even if you leave rfs. They’ll still get their $1000 per your sale.
Your rfs experience really depends on the nature of your upline. I hear the people who got Jonathan and a few others as their upline were lucky. The rest of us who didn’t get helpful uplines like that really had to struggle until they learnt some form of magnetic marketing on their own and then they started doing well.
Personally I think my day job is easier than internet marketing. But I guess internet marketing is better than watching TV and blowing money on designer clothes. At least you’re learning something and if you make a profit that’s nice too.
Hello M. Jonny and daddy TY, You guys are trapping people just for the sake of making money, shame on you guys! You are another parasites who want to make huge profits on others’ money! Yours is just another SCAM, the reverse funnel system SCAM, who will have people joining you by giving $50 and end up with nothing…SHAME ON YOU parasites!
know those are two different people in utube video’s saying the same bs…i’ll be making a utube video on reverse funnel system tonight and post it here…a lot of people need to stay clear of it..its for guys that can sell ice to eskimos and seal their blubber and laugh about it…its not for regular people… i promote great programs that will make you money with out spending it..
Been there, done that! I mean RFS. Here’s the bottom line. If you are considering getting into the Reverse Funnel and Global Resorts Network, understand that only the top dogs are making any money and the rest of them are picking over the bones. Test this yourself! Go to just about any popular web site and count the RFS banner ads and then you decide. I have no idea how many have bought into this marketing concept, but it’s way too many now for anyone to make a profit. You’ll spend thousands to get a couple of sales and that’s going nowhere. Yahoo and Google and others refuse to give ranking worth a hoot to affiliate web sites, so you will have one very difficult time in getting noticed. The only way you can get in front of the SEOs or Search Engines is to pay for it.
Well folks, you do what you want. But don’t be surprised when all the money you make with this goes towards your expenses. They, RFS, charges you around 300 plus bucks each month to stay in the game just for maintaining a so-called web site page. Now that’s a real rip-off. It’s really not your page at all.
My advice folks, stay away from affiliate marketing. Unless you’re on the top of the heap, you don’t have a chance of making much money at all. They’re just using you and your money to do the promotion that gets them richer. It’s like being a lowly little employee in a large company. You will work your butt off and the bosses keep getting richer and richer. What a concept.
doug, i agree with you on RFS…But to say stay a way from all affiliate marketing you have to be talking out your butt…I just started affiliate marketing and its awesome… here’s my blog noriskventures.blogspot.com You obviously don’t know much about online marketing at all…but good luck to you…
also that $50. app fee RFS makes people cough up..which i’m am 99.999% sure is un refundable…I bet they make a fortune just from that…since i bet 90% of the apps freakout when they learn the cost of $3000 and $1500 that they need to cough up..plus the $300 per month fee to stay in the high risk program…It would take a real con man mind set to succeed in RFS… I am a lously sales person my self,but i have know problems covincing people to believe in my programs heres a video i just did on you tube about affiliate marketing ..have a great day greg
I’ve been kicking the RVS around for a few months, I just wanted to extend a thanks to all for your input. I came across this page today and read the entire thing, and have to say that I don’t think I’m going to take the plunge. That’s an ass-ton of money to shell out for something so uncertain. I guess life is just uncertain with regard to all of these scams anyway, just looking for an honest way to supplement my income. The thing that I find odd is that there’s a blog from an 18 year old kid who is making money with this system, and doing well. And there is another from a man with an MBA who didn’t make money with this system. So weird. I guess it’s just a sign of the times. I’m not going to take my chances. I have a feeling the market is already approaching a point of saturation for this program, and I don’t have the knowledge, or resources to compete. I think I’m going to side with the guy with the MBA and not take any chances.
Take care, and the best of luck to all of you.
Dan
Dan, i have been marketing on line for over 10 years..don’t believe everything you read…
well you can consider me a person who is talking facts when it comes to this RFS.
Because I was one of the idiots that spend my hard earned cash on them only to get well… a stupid guide book that I can bet wasn’t written by the founder and written most probably by paid copywriters.
Not only that, Do NOT EVER fall for those sites that tells you can make thousands of money by just doing paid surveys and blah blah blah. I paid $30.00 for their entrance fee only to find they have a whole lists of valid paid survey websites. And its up to you to pick and choose the best of the best.
In short, forget about being lazy and doing work from home. You want to do that, get a job or enroll your name in the employment agency. These things are just plain conniving scammers.
Ciaoz
Syikin
OK… So I see a lot of hate on this site against MLM’s or ANY type of work that is not a standard J.O.B.
There are many MLM’s and Internet businesses that are legitimate and legal. And only people with the balls to do it make it. Everyone else just wines (got cheese?).
Your ideas about working from home over the Internet is very arcane and out dated.
There are many people making a legitimate living working from home. They are called “business owners”.
So you can either take what you are given (a J.O.B) or make what you want (Business owner).
Oh.. also.. If you don’t want to be part of a pyramid scheme, then you need to quite your J.O.B. cause I really don’t think that the people at the bottom make more than those at the top. And it is designed to keep you from making more money than those at the top where a proper MLM is designed so that you can make more money than those above you.. and they do. So what type of hypocrite are you?
Just my thoughts.
Mitch
Don’t remember who said it:
The job you have is the one someone else didn’t want.
Comparing a regular job to a pyramid scheme is a little far fetched. Yes, it does resemble a pyramid since you have the owner at the top, managers and then employees at the bottom. But a job is in no way a ’scheme’. I’ve got a bit to say about this actually and will make a full blog post about it later when I have time.
hi guys,anytime you get involved with a system such a reverse funnel you better get in real early,because if anyone gets in now with all the negative controversy there chances for success are almost impossible…
Ok Greg, seriously, that’s enough free advertising for you. Most people will leave a link here once, and that’s fine, but you insist on leaving links and phone numbers here every other day.
There is nothing wrong with MLM. I think it’s a great marketing plan than the usual methods. In MLM a product is spread with little money spent by the product owner or manufacturer.
But what is wrong with MLM is the people running it. They try to lure people how they can earn money, it’s the money they glorify.
Although MLMarketers would say to potential customers that “you have to do your part, this is not a get rich quick scheme.” But that is just sugar coating, upper MLMarketers are just waiting to rake in the money of the newbies.
Been to several MLMs, yes i did notmake a lot of money. Because i got lured of the money. MLM is not for me. MLM is not bad.
I now enjoy making money online using the tools that i love doing. I do webdesign, i make websites, i buy and sell domain names, i’m enjoying it, i write blogs with original contents with ads, though making a little for now. I make extra money. I enjoy my life now.
I will no longer be part of any MLM. It’s not for me, and i dont enjoy doing it.
I am think a lot of mlm especially RFS are Crap… MonaVie is the only one that I would ever be involved with..the product is solid (one juice that enhances your health)and the MLM system is ingenious…and dirt cheap to signup..
MLM is not bad in anyway.
Those that work it get paid, those that don’t don’t get paid.
MLM is not for everyone.
The beauty of MLM is in the product or service.
MLM companies do not last if the product or service is not legitimate.
Pyramid schemes are totally different because they do not pay the same and/or they do not have a legitimate product or service.
I agree that some tactics used by MLMers have given it a bad name.
Here is a legitimate product that does work, guaranteed, and you will not be sorry if you try it. If it does not work for you – you get your money back. (90-day empty bottle money back guarantee)
This is a great example of a legitimate MLM with a great product and they guarantee it.
This is obviously a massive scam, do any professional businesses try to flood google with copy pasted biased views on something without actually explaining what they’re doing? I’ve read a lot on this now and saw it was a scam straight away.
The 18 year old kid making $35000+ a month, I’ll believe it when i see it. If you were really earning this amount of money would you really be coming on this board to flame? I sure as hell wouldn’t, I would be laughing at the fools, but fools we are not, you are the fool for getting sucked into this obscene scam and then trying to dupe others into it so you can regain some of your pride. Of course it is only the people at the top making money from this, and it sound like the people at the bottom are being told the same thing “you’re not working hard enough” even when they are breaking their backs to try and make a penny of off this scheme.
I’m grateful to the honest posters here who admit they’ve been conned, the others its all the same regurgitated rubbish about marketing experience and advertising, I see it everywhere I look in relation to this scam. These people are making $50 from every greedy fool who signs up for this and as a bonus get thousands more form the even greedier more foolish people who choose to go the the next stage.
I am a student at a top British university (no I’m not doing marketing or advertising) and have discussed this scheme with friends who are currently on courses related to marketing and advertising online they all say the same thing. “Scam”.
Who is actually selling the timeshares? No one, they don’t exist. All they ask you to do is sell the information they have sold you on to others, there is no real substance in this scheme other than a few crooks reaping in massive amounts of money on a daily basis from the greedy people who are foolish enough to invest in this farce.
In conclusion this is nothing but a scam that involves flooding the internet with garbage to try and encourage people to join another pyramid scheme. When people talk of marketing and good advertising all they mean is to try and sell the information that they have spent thousands on to as many people as possible.
I hope that i have made it quite clear to everyone, don’t invest in this, it’s a scam. People have been doing this for years, and the only people to ever make money are those at the very top.
Regards,
Rich
We possess the most fantasic machinery in the known universe: our mind. It is sad that %99.9 of us waste it on garbage.
Yes, of course it is a scam and all of you who’ve really bought into it–I’m not talking about the fake “I make such and such” comments–should just give your money to charity and (edited by admin). You are the fools that these con artists feed off of and gain traction with in the first place.
Even worse, for those who actually work their way up these scam heirarchies to any extent are nothing more than banshees screaming out the deathknell of our species.
The movie ‘Idiocracy’ was a comedy not a manual for better living.
Cheers,
doomsayer
Gator.. sure i leave my links and infomation…because i am proud of the systems i promote…99..999% of the so called gurus out here in cyber land don’t give a rats ass about anyone but themselves…sure i make money as an affiliate,but others that signup for a messilly $47-$67 course get free coaching and learn real skills…I do this for my appreciation no additional fee… greg
I love reading all of these comments, because they are both right.
It goes back to the saying “If you think you can, your right, and If you think you can’t, your right, too.
The people that say this is a scam and that is a scam are the ones who will be working the rest of their lifes just to retire and live off of social security trying to make ends meet the rest of their lifes.
The ones who actually try something are the ones who have a much better chance of doing something much bigger.
You have to look at all of the big names out there that you know: Oprah, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, this list could go on and on, their friends and family told them their idea would never work, it was a scam, too good to be true, but they stuck to what they knew.
So if you are reading this and trying to decide ehat to do, do what you know is right!
Greg, mate you seem like a nice guy but this is just another copycat of the RFS, except you are asking for more money! I’ve been on the website and it specifies nothing that is being sold. So in other words Greg you’re just trying to use this website as a means to enroll for your own pyramid scheme. This whole reverse funnel was quite a clever idea, but you can see what they encourage you to do without even paying in. You just flood the internet with videos advertising links to the website they have set up, where, if one chooses to become apart of the scheme then they will have to do the same thing in order for them to make money so there is no product being sold anywhere along the line, apart from information on how to enroll new people. It’s got all the makings of a classic pyramid scheme.
Here are the key identifiers of a pyramid scheme taken from wikipedia:
* A highly excited sales pitch.
* A reassurance that it is not, in fact, a pyramid scheme, possibly with a false account of what a pyramid scheme is.
* Little to no information offered about the company unless an investor purchases the products and becomes a participant.
* Vaguely phrased promises of limitless income potential.
* No product, or a product being sold at a price ridiculously in excess of its real market value. As with the company, the product is vaguely described.
* An income stream that chiefly depends on the commissions earned by enrolling new members or the purchase by members of products for their own use rather than sales to customers who are not participants in the scheme.
* A tendency for only the early investors/joiners to make any real income.
* Assurances that it is perfectly legal to participate.
* The insistence they are not here to pressure you but merely to guide you.
* The idea that there are no bosses, only coaches and mentors.
Now, Greg, watching your videos and looking at your website links, how many similarities can be seen here to the service you offer? From what I can see, near enough all of them. Which is enough to tell me its a pyramid scheme and a scam. I really think it’s pathetic how you continue to try to enroll people in this thread even after several warning by the site administrator, who, I am sure is more than aware of what you are doing. Once again Greg, I don’t doubt you’re a nice guy, you might just be deluded, but please stop using this thread to try and enroll your own petty scheme.
Thanks,
Rich
rich, i don’t do any MLM…other then MONaVIE which is a great product and company…I simply promote three great programs that teach people to market..
(nastily disagreeing with Rich – edited by admin)
that try to discredit good people for know other reason then for kicks……greg
gator.. i have a favor to ask… can you please take the time to checkout my links and let people know that RICH is a liar…..I really want to squash that punk bug…to bad he lives in the UK…If he was tell the truth i would not have a problem with his comments..i just hate liars.. and anyone that watches my video’s or checks out my links will know i only promote affiliate marketing courses and offer free coaching for them using my link to show my appreciation…thanks gator…greg…ps sorry for to much self promotion i should have known a deushbag would pop up and attack my charactor
No Greg, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, just like you’ve voiced rather negative opinions of Ty and Jonathan and others. People can follow your links (and they are I see) and form their own opinions. Rich may disagree with what you believe in but he did remain civil in his comments whereas you’ve taken a rather violent approach to answering him. Chill out man before you find yourself banned and all your comments get deleted.
Gator… the bottom line is i spoke the truth…i never attacked anyone…not jonathan or ty…i said the reverse funnel system was a very risky venture and a very poor choice…which is true…I personally know a few people that were very unhappy with it..
You put your face and name out there and have someone totally talk out of their ass about you and lets see how you like it…its bull and that guy is exactly what i said he was …he never even looked at my videos or pages…and if he did he lied..i hate liars…please find one thing i said that i lied about..please i research before i write anything negative about anyone..and i rarely attack anyone…conflict sucks..enough said..greg
I’ve been running a retail store for over 8 years Greg, there’s always going to be someone talking out their ass. It’s happened to me before and it’ll happen again, I just shrug it off.
‘Welcome to the internet!’ & ‘Welcome to dealing with the public!’
gator, believe me i know what you mean… I am lucky it does’nt happen very much…I will try to shrug it off…peace
Here’s something else that really got my goat just now…i checked out my video on revver and while my video plays..adds pop up on my video from google…these adds say don’t get scamed!….i was pissed…but then i remember what gator said and took a deep breath…
then i clicked on that add…add guess what, two out of the top three programs they were talking about so highly were the millionaire league and profit lance…These are the programs i was promoting on my video…Anyway there is so much cut throat advertizing out here its know wonder people are so confused… i stand behind what i endorse with a phone number(that i answer)e-mail and blogs…ever tried contacting the guys that post those adds…good luck…greg
Greg, I’ve watched a fair few of your videos, and, in my personal opinion, they’re the same as all the other videos that have been put out on the web to promote RFS. What i find hard to understand is if you are spending so much time researching for your blog etc it seems a lot of your time is also spent trying to get people to watch your videos and join your schemes, and why on earth are you so quick to give out your number? In this thread all I have seen you try to do is disregard the RFS to try and promote your own scheme. Your constant mention on your blog and in this thread of coaching and mentoring also hint towards a scam. Another thing, I know it’s rude to ask but I’m very interested to say the least, how much have you earned so far from the ventures in which you have participated? Why are you calling me a liar? Everything I have written on here so far had been opinion supported by evidence I have gathered myself, I have not declared anything I have written as solid fact as far as I can see.
Again it seems to me like you have got yourself into something and are trying to enroll others my any means possible. How much have you spent on advetising and for the information that these so called legitimate MLMs provide you with? I think that its probably a substantial amount, enough that you were forced to sell your jet ski for $4600 at the end of February anyway
Take care my friend, I have taken your email address and will add you on MSN messenger if you have this program. I think maybe we can be more civilised if we can talk in private. Again I will say form watching your videos you seem like a genuine, nice guy, maybe you just don’t have the capacity to realise what you are involved in, is what, myself and many of the other users of this board would call a scam.
Thanks,
Rich
ps. Gatorbyte, keep up the good work with the site.
RICH your a moron…greg
Hi Greg, a nice mature attitude towards my opinions yet again. Also for a professional businessman your grammatical skills need brushing up a touch. I think you mean you’re unless you know of a moron that belongs to me
Thanks,
Rich
Rich, do you know anyone thats is interested in a 2006 yamaha midnight 1700cc cruser…i need to sell it asap to pay for more advertising…please help my friend…cheers greg …all programs have 8 week money back guarantee
rich, i treat people they way they deserve to be treated…would you perfer jackass?
Hopefully you will post this, since you posted all the web addresses for RFS. This business will really help people and at the very least, gives people who want some extra money a way to do that, or just another option for purchasing travel.
Hi Greg, 48 years old? I’m 19 but a great deal more mature than you. Why don’t you find another website to promote your product on? By the looks of things on here the admin are running out of patience with you due to your constant promotion of yourself via Youtube and your personal blogs and distribution of your phone number. I’ve said this a few times already, I don’t doubt you’re a nice guy, but maybe this is the wrong place to gain business/enroll for your scheme. By the way did you sell your jet ski in the end?
Thanks,
Rich
p.s. Sorry Gatorbyte, I am, by no means trying to turn this thread into a flame war, but I’m sure you will be able to see things from my perspective.
p.s.s. Greg, grow up.
No, I’m tired of sifting through links and stuff to see which ones are spammy and which ones aren’t, all while trying to remain fair to both sides of this argument. All links are being deleted from now on, the only one’s I’ll allow are the ones that link from your name. I just spent an hour going through all 130+ comments on this post to pull the links/emails/phone numbers.
I always like reading the posts on this blog even if they can get out of hand. In my opinion, the two people that benefit the most from this type of high ticket item are 1)Internet Marketers and 2)High Capital Investors. I went into GRN using multiple marketing systems like RFS, TeamBuilder, GRNSystem, and so forth. Because of the high commissions and perpetual leverage compensation plan, my wife and I got involved with the intention of investing heavily on advertising to build a team quickly and then tailor down our advertising once we had around 20-25 team members. A quick side note. Did you know that you can be your own downline if you buy a second membership and then just advertise off that membership. Each sale then yields $1000 for yourself and $1000 for your immediate upline person, which in our case is our company. That is $2000 per sale. This is not talked about in the training calls but it is the reality. Those with money to leverage will be able to hire Google Adwords optimizers and outsource their marketing abroad. Personally, I use YourManInIndia and GetFriday to do all this menial work. Also, good products like Efficient PPC will help lower your Adwords bid prices. The point I am trying to make is yes, I have been successful with GRN & the RFS, but I had to work hard, be creative, outsource repititive taks, and invest heavily to put myself in a leveraged position. I see Johnathan Budd’s YouTube Videos everywhere now, and he is even developing courses that some of my team members follow. Whether you like his comments or not, He is making some serious money with this system. I have to give it to him, he is a great Internet Marketer and a hard worker. This is not in any way a “Get Rich Quick Scheme.” Yes, I made $10,000 in my first six weeks but I also put up $10,000 in advertising, so I was still in the negative up until the end of my second month. Now I am in a position where I am making about a net of $5000 per week, but this is not typical. Just like any other business, those with the money, knowhow, and expertise will separate themselves from the pack. I do think the presentation Ty Coughlin makes does appeal to many, but it is misleading. This is a tough business with heavy competition. You have to be flexible and willing to use multiple advertising platforms in order to stay ahead. Buying a system like RFS,Carbon Copy, EDC Gold or any other high ticket marketing system to promote your product is not enough to make a decent income. You really need to have good start up capital and a willingness to learn how to market. Personally, I stick to Google Adwords even though it is pricey at first, but 80% of my sales have come from it. You will see my website everyday on Google search, but this is not cheap and most affiliates will not be able to compete with me on Google and therefore this gives me a competitive advantage and since my Adwords is optimized to where I’m paying about .75 per click (for keywords like home based business) and my payouts are $2000 on each sale, then it just makes sense for me to just run advertising 24 hours a day on Google. My conversion is for every $1200 spent on Google I make $2000, plus I get a new team member which can be priceless if you get ones with Internet Marketing backgrouds or High Start Up capital. This is how the game is played but unfortunately no one knows the Truth until after they are in this business and marketing for a while. My advise is that if you have to take out credit card debt in order to finance this opportunity you will FAIL. Please save your money and use it on your bills. Now if you have Internet Marketing background or at least $10,000 to market your first 3 months then you have a chance at being successful. Finally, why is everyone bashing the United States. I wasn’t even born in this country but I respect the opportunities I’ve been given. Personally, I don’t agree with our foreign policy, our President, or many of our other political leaders but I won’t let some from Australia bash us like this. Americans have some pride and please don’t let outsiders determine our identity. Obama 2008 supporter. Sorry, I had to get my plug in.
Hi everyone,
What a great post gator – well done, very well done. This blog has hopefully saved hundreds from wasting their money with RFS.
I’ve read this from start to finish and I’ll do my best to not regurgitate the large amount of great information and opinion already posted.
Now before I continue with my rant it should be made clear that RFS is not a “system” it’s a team of crooked MLM marketers who offer a business model or program to their ‘joint venture’ business partners which is supposed to help them achieve sales. But from all reports RFS seems to offer very little one-on-one support to those who are new to MLM and genuinely want to work within the advertised RFS business model.
Now just like everyone here I have spent some time researching and investigating (as any astute person should when potentially forking out money) and how RFS works seems pretty clear to me.
The guys at RFS, whilst lacking many elements of professional, conscientious, decent people are actually geniuses. I don’t know much about internet marketing but what I do know is that the only way to get your site on the first few pages of the major search engines requires a huge amount of “linking” and advertising to push your sites relevance to the top of the list. This could/would otherwise cost a fairly large amount of money; require a large amount of people talking about the same thing online and of course time and resources.
To achieve this, the RFS team simply recruit members with ‘hype’ & ‘get rich’ advertising who actually pay $300pm for RFS ads which will continue to push RFS to the top of the list with all of the major search engines (those links at the top of these searches tend to lead directly to Ty’s site by the way). Therefore creating a self-fulfilling prophecy for the creators and early members, with the remainder of new members now finding that they can’t generate traffic/sales/income because they can’t get traffic through their sites because Ty’s site (and a few others like Johnathan Budd – no offence John you’ve marketed yourself well) is always pushed to the top. Also, people are now researching (because RFS seems to be everywhere) and making more informed decisions – due to great posts like this.
Now you don’t know me – so I know that my opinion doesn’t matter to you so I’m not going to offer it.
All I can say is that on the surface the GRN product seems like a valuable one and if RFS wasn’t creating so many sales for GRN, I’m sure they would stop the RFS team in its tracks. GRN may still be a great opportunity if marketed for the useful product that it is – and not what it could be for those interested in MLM in terms of huge amounts of money or financial freedom.
I guess the moral of the story is:
1. Don’t make emotional decisions when it comes to business.
2. Do your research – read the FACTS not the hype. 3. Have a plan.
4. Work hard at making it happen.
Well done gator…
Wow, all you entrepreneurs should pat yourself on the back. You’re truly doing something worthwhile. It’s going to be a satisfying day when you retire and can sell your business, or pass it on. Wait a minute… you can’t, because your business is worth nothing; you have build up no goodwill, and you don’t even have a product!
I get enraged whenever I hear anything about network marketing. It pains my head just to believe that people are so stupid as to believe it. IT JUST HURTS. I especially love Mary the LAW FIRM intern. I actually am a lawyer, and if I wasn’t so busy, I would take a personal campaign against these companies. That’ll have to wait until I make partner and can take most personal initiative, I suppose.
So stupid…
A quick read of the comments shows an interesting pattern. The majority of the RFS supporters use CAPS and emotional or personal references to persuade. I wonder if they realise that they reek of desperation?
They also seem to lack a seventh grade spelling and grammar education, but I’m sure that is just a coincidence. >.>
There is very little concrete fact here. From what I can gather, the basics are these:
-You pay $50 to find out how to make money.
-You pay additional fees to train and get leads.
-You advertise via the net and try to sell time shares/vacation packages.
- RFS promotes a leader/team business model which allows for a questionably legal pyramid-esque scheme.
- RFS ‘leaders’ have bombard the internet with pro-RFS websites in an attempt to get team members. Making it difficult to find information that is anti-RFS.
- The actual RFS leaders (Ty whatever-his-name-is) are laughing all the way to the bank.
And most importantly:
With the proper motivation and research, you could do this with out the RFS and not be forced to pay a portion of your profits to them.
Have I missed anything?
To Sardine:
C’mon now, admit it. You’d hire Mary as your intern. Look at her awesome writing and persuasive skills. She’s a rock star. I bet she’ll be partner inside 5 years! Oh wait, never mind, I’m sure she’s going to retire early to sell for RFS and work from the beach. [/sarcasm]
hi guys disregard everything I’ve written I’ve just realized i was getting scammed the whole time. I’d like to apologize to gator and rich in particular for the hostility I’ve shown towards them.
Peace,
Greg
Just a heads up to you and everyone here…. Scamming companies acutally make it a regular practice to hire “spin doctors” of sorts. They surf the web for negative posts(ie this) and will attempt to… Well, spin. I only say this cause that guy from a Last year struck me that way… And they are always like cockroaches… Where you see one, there’s 10 more…
On that note, the pyramid next to the funnel… Funny stuff!
Thanks Gator Byte, keep up the good work. I just about bit on the RFS. But I can’t afford that stuff. And I’m definitely not going into debt to try it like some have.
Mike
Hi. My name is Natasha. I am in no way involved with the RFS, however, I have been checking it out closely. More on this in a bit.
First off, however, I would like to make clear that I have been reading about and have been interested in entrepreneurship for the last eight years. My brother and a dear friend both hold degrees in business, management and MARKETING respectively. I was raised in a small business environment. I have been involved in entrepreneurial endeavors myself.
I am involved with an organization similar to the one that Jonathan is involved with. Our organization has been in existence for a quarter century. Our opportunity is highly legitimate. I recently signed up to work with this beautiful group of people, but have not yet began making sales, only because I am on vacation right now with my family that I have not seen for over a year, and they come first. The lady who signed me up with our organization is a dear friend who lives a mere thirty minutes down the road from my mother. I am just clarifying here that I personally KNOW the lady who signed me up, as this may add to the company’s legitimacy in your mind. The lady who signed me up is well known in this area of the state and is noted for her HONESTY and compassion. Also, she made 90,000 dollars her first year with the company, but that success came about through the purchase of leads and not the brilliant marketing that Jonathan Budd teaches. (Our compensation plan is $1,000 and above per sale, hence the 90 thou.) I just wanted to demonstrate that our organization is not a scam, and it is relatively similar to the RFS and the Global Resorts Network.
So, first, understand that Jonathan and all that are involved with the RFS have a REAL PRODUCT. REAL PRODUCT or service = REAL BUSINESS (i.e. legitimate business). Jonathan is correct, too, when he says that in so many other businesses (real estate, etc.) an application fee is asked for. It makes sense. This is a means of separating the serious folks from the not so serious. “Money talks and…” Real entrepreneurs know that they are potentially gambling when it comes to new endeavors, and they do not mind putting up the cash, always knowing that they may never see it again if their business does not pan out for whatever reason…oftentimes a business not working out has to do with terrible MARKETING, the lifeblood of any business. (If you don’t believe folks gamble when it comes to business, please see all books by Robert Kiyosaki, author of “Rich Dad, Poor Dad”. 9 out of 10 businesses fail. That is the equation. Kiyosaki just recently wrote a book with the man himself, Donald Trump.) The difference between the company that Jonathan is involved with and the one I am involved with is MARKETING. Furthermore, the highly automated system utilized for prospecting, or what they call FUNNELING, is something that my organization is not familiar with. Oh, don’t get me wrong, we funnel on some level…but we do this personally, we don’t have an automated system in place to do it for us. So, basically, on some level I am working with folks who are just very highly paid for their time. These guys with RFS do their marketing once through the internet, and the sytem they have in place takes care of the rest. They have more freedom of time than us. it is my conviction that Jonathan Budd is a marketing GENIUS. He should be commended and not ridiculed here or anywhere. My company does not know any of his AWESOME marketing skills, no one in my company does…except me, I know of them and I am beginning to learn. Do you see what this gentleman has done for me and so many others (who would be struggling as entrepreneurs otherwise)? He is an angel! After I make my sales and help myself, I am going to delve further into entrepreneurship and begin to be a great philanthropist…when money allows. On that note, I feel this young man is helping to change the world. The whole RFS bit is pure and simple logic. All this being said, Ty Coughlin and all these other guys are not running a scam. If you can’t see the opportunity here, I’m sincerely sorry for you, but it’s TREMENDOUS. Remember that I am not involved with his company in any way, shape or form, but I see an OPPORTUNITY from the outside looking in…and my BS Radar is “through the roof”. Just wanted to clarify, because I see so many folks “beating up” this poor guy on this site when he is only trying to help others and himself…he’s an ethical entrepreneur. Jonathan understands the pure and simple logic that one can not truly help himself unless he helps others and offers them VALUE. (I think Emerson said this best: “It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.”) If you don’t understand all of this, I am sorry because you are blind on some level. I suggest, in this case, that you watch the movie, “The Secret”, so that you may regain your sight. This “Secret” is an ancient Truth spoken of in all world religions, Masonry, Rosicrucianism and the like. I don’t know how to explain this all further if you do not understand….because it’s SIMPLE, and all truth is really simple. It’s as simple as everything I just mentioned.
With all that being said, I must be off for now, as I am packing so that I may return home from my vacation soon and get started in business. I will probably not come back to this site, for the sake of not wasting time. I do not mean this in an uncouth way, it is just that I have lots to do when I return, that’s all. Who knows, I might even eventually join Jonathan and his team of marketing experts. They are marketing genuises, that is not false advertizing on their part. With that level of marketing knowledge, an entrepreneur can be successful in any endeavor, RFS or not. Have a beautiful day! Peace.
Kindest Regards,
Natasha
On second thought, please disregard my above post. With all due respect, I wish no longer to be associated with this group’s profound negativity. I should have thought twice before posting here today. God has taught me a friendly lesson by having allowed me to do so through freewill. Hopefully, one day, you will all realize we are One and will stop posting such negative comments about businesses and people you only seem to know a few real facts about. RFS has a real product, hands down. That is the opinion of one who has had no personal experience with this company. I have a huge inkling that this is not just an opinion, but fact. Peace.
If I end up being wrong about the RFS, you have my most sincere apologies.
This is so stupid I can’t believe it. Any conpany making what these guys claim is not going to want to share the method with anyone. Why settle for a million when you can have a billion for yourself?
As for paying $50 to join, another $2995 to learn the system, and another $299 a month all in order to make $5000 a month, how about this instead: I’ll make $5000 the first month and you can deduct all the fees from that.
I noticed that Jonathan sells a $2000 per month leads package to newbies using the RFS – THATS $2000 A MONTH FOLKS.
That only takes 1 sucker per day to make $2000.
Nice one Jonathan.
Don’t believe this bullshit – money draining schemes. You’ll spend thousands and earn nothing. And if you try to earn the money from RFS – it will suck out all your available time and exhaust you.
There’s enough scams on the internet, this is just a renamed one from “Ultimate Lifestyle Package” or something similar.
I never got involved in RFS and highly recommend others not too. You are a con artist Johny.. or Ty.. whoever you are, quit this illegal business.
Even a well-paid job is worth more ethically and professionally than your ‘fast’ bucks.
So does it work like this? you set up a web site which then adverstises the RFS then as people sign/pay for more info that is your $50 sale and then if you can convince them to part with $3000 to set up a similar site to you, you then get $1000 of that. So all you are buying is a web site and possibly some links on other sites that advertise the RFS.
Not illegal as you get provided the service offered for the cash but it’s not actually selling any product apart from the RFS.
I for one during the past couple of months have been considering to get involved with RFS, but after reading comments on this blog from ones who have had first hand experience with RFS I have now decided not to go through with it. I came so close to buying in and took the past couple of months to save a few thousand dollars to invest into the RFS opportunity. But I told myself, I better double check and do further research into this before sinking any money with RFS. I am a serious business minded entreprenuer with 3 years experience of owning a small business relating to service & repair of medical laboratory equipment. I was looking for an alternative and easier way to make more money than what I’m making now, but now I believe RFS is not the way to go. Now I’ll just invest my hard earned money elsewhere or save it until I find the right opportunity I’ll truly benefit from. I can now appreciate the warning signs given in this blog. Thanks Gator Byte for making this website available and potentially saving my money from going down the drain. At least I was smart enough not to even throw $50 bucks away just to get started.
Firstly, thank you all for taking the time to post your comments. I have been doing the ‘due diligence’ thing on RFS and GRN and I have found this very useful indeed.
Secondly, I want to appologise on behalf of all of us downunder for that retrobate “Aussie”. I think he has had a few too many fosters. Why he ranted on about the USA in that way is beyond me. Obviously he has never been to that wonderful nation and met the ‘locals’ as I have. NY city people rock!
Back to RFS, I have decided not to jump into that particular pond. I think it’s drying up fast. Personally I did’t like the idea of promoting a site where visitors get to see some unshaven slightly chubby dude playing with his laptop in front of a beach scene backdrop. It just lacks ‘cred’ and I have realised that I want to protect my personal credibilty too much.
I do think that GRN has a great product though, and I will be exploring alternative ways to market it.
Thanks again for your comments everyone. It’s been very helpful to me.
Bill ( a real Aussie)
they guarantee your money back 100%???
well i’d like to figure out how to get my $50 back! i can not figure out how to contact them to recieve my money back! i would not have signed up for “just $50″ if they first tell you they actually want $3,000, and after you give them the $50, you’re screwed.
please if anyone know’s how to get your $50 back, share the info.
Is RFS a SCAM?
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Don’t believe the MARKETING HYPE. The RFS is a cleverly crafted SALES LETTER that uses hype and fear of loss to get you to act now.
The “interview process” is nothing more than a pyschological tactic to get you to buy now. The sales letter claims there is almost no work involved and almost no computer skills needed.
Any successful business owner (internet or not) will tell you it takes work, dedication, and specialized skills to make it big.
I do not believe TY’s website is a good example of honesty. On the other hand Gobal Resort Networks is a valuable product, package, and opportunity, but TY’s website gives it a bad rep.
Why do most Reps fail?
Because they believe it is almost automatic income, need almost no computer skills, nothing to learn and just “copy and paste” their way to success. This is a fradulent claim, thus a SCAM.
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merriam-webster.com – a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation
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TY makes money from all the advertising avenues he presents you with. You don’t need to spend that much money on advertising if you know what you’re doing.
Can TY teach you to get over 1 million targeted visitors for FREE to just ONE of your websites?
No, he wants you to buy threw his affiliate partners, but I can teach you how
If you want to PROMOTE GRN:
1. Find a good system to plug into (Not RFS)
2. Find a good partner to sign under
(This can mean success or failure in business. Can they teach you to brand yourself, copywrite, build a website, and get massive free traffic to your site [YES, work is involved, don't be fooled so easily]). 2 things you need to make money: A converting website (not a duplicated website which thousands of others use) and TRAFFIC.
3. Join a strong team – Does your team provide webinars or teleseminars? Do they offer extra tools to help you with success. Does your team have momentum? Momentum is important in business.
Please keep in mind these “opportunity” sites DO NOT tech you how to build a profitable online website.
They teach you how to promote an affiliate website and an affiliate link, thats it! If you want to promote affiliate links you do not need to join GRN as you can promote as an affiliate for FREE.
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As for Jonathan, you have a lot of learning to do. You are too emotional and have 0 people skills.
You might know a little about “marketing”, but understand that COMMUNICATION is the FOUNDATION of marketing and advertising.
Just by responding to this blog you are advertising and communicating(negatively).
Communication brings about co-operation (this you lack Jonathan. Work on it).
Co-operation will bring in sales.
Co-operation also develops relationships and knowing how to utilize these relationships you can bring about profits.
So, Jonathan, if RFS really isn’t a SCAM, why do you get so emotional? Why can’t you communicate effectively? Why are you so immature?
Go take some people skill, communication, and persuasion classes as you are damaging your reputation on the internet.
If you don’t care about that then its obvious you are still a “noob” in the internet marketing world.
PEACE
As you would all know, there are other ’systems’ out there that promote the GRN product. One of them says you can download a FREE e-book called “The Truth….” Well, just try to get that sucker into your email. It aint there people. I’ve tried 5 times.
If GRN wasn’t getting a ton of new members from this they would divorce themselves from these clowns. Trouble is, there are a lot of punters out there ready to shell out the 3g.
Ty Coughlin isn’t even a real person. If you look at the disclaimer at the bottom of their landing page, Ty Coughlin(TM)is a trademark and intellectual property of Dynamic Marketing Alliance LLC. I never known anybody that was able to have their proper name trademarked.
And then there’s this Jonathan Budd goober on this post, who’s getting all bent out of shape because he was stupid enough to buy into this scam, and it isn’t paying off. Nobody is buying your scam Jonny boy. You’ll never get your “down line” so cut your loses and run. Or, how about you show us some check stubs of all of your lavish earning. It’s a scam-a-lama-ding-dong.
I have received email after email on this system.
I also received a phone call from a team leader trying to induct me into the system. I must say it was very tempting but I always think about things first. I am a sales person of 24 years and know the sales pitch.
I did find out that you will need between 2 and $5000 to start also which is not mentioned anywhere here is the fact you have to pay Ty C $299.00 a month for the honor of being on someone’s team.
Will you make money with this? Who know’s but I do know one for sure, If you do not know how to market this thing you not make a dime of your investment back.
Also the team leader gets $37.00 of the $50.00 application fee which is another Income stream in this system.
Is this a scam? I don’t know and will not pass judement like so many peo0ple here have.
Most of these people who have posted comments have no real proof of anything and in all fairness should seek out information as I have and then post it.
As far as Jonathan goes. He used two adjectives in his comments describing the system. One being “this dam thing” and the other being “stinking thing”. Really bad for business Jon as this is what you are trying to sell. If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Good luck folks. Do some homework before you buy anything.
Stu
Well, I just got off one of Ty’s calls and let me tell you, there is some excitement going on!
Real? Who knows, perhaps so. Fly by night? Probably. Land them in legal trouble? Likely. Did I read someone saying that GRN has now filed a complaint against RFS? Hmmmmmm
But back to RFS, what I am starting to put together (and yes, I had to pay my $50 to even get started in finding out *anything* about it), is that RFS is nothing more than a system where you (read “THEY”) can draw in the masses at $50 a pop, and then reveal the product (SURPRISE- Global Resorts Network at $3000!) in order to escape falling under the Ponzi scheme label.
Great marketing? Sure. Here’s another one:
link DELETED!
If you want to get in on the ground of one of these things, here’s your chance, and it costs ZERO to pre-register and just decide later what to do with it….WHEN…the product if finally revealed! Their tracking system is neat too! My mentor advised me that it was a red flag of them needing cash and plan on selling the contact info. Could be, yeah. Still a great free learning experience. Just beware!
Now, if that complaint filing is true, GRN themselves do not agree with RFS and must feel that it is giving them a bad name.
But now let’s also look at GRN: Make $1000 commission each sale? That means sell for much higher, which means first BUYING in at the higher rate so the person who brought you in can take a grand off the top. And what do you get? The rights to a 5-star vacation anywhere in the world for 8 days and 7 nights for under $400.
Now, wait a minute…..isn’t that the whole idea of the timeshare, just repackaged??? In the beginning, it was pay $6000 up front for the right to pay only $200 for that 8days and 7nights anywhere in the world (meaning: whatever is available in the book)? Yes….it is! Now, it’s only pay half the $6000 grand up front, but twice the $200 each time!
Jonathan Budd was right; it’s all about marketing! …and he really feels bad for all us business opportunity seeking suckers who fall for those (his) get rich quick schemes.
And the $50 refund guarantee??? Forghettaboutit. You were supposed to do as he said to quailfy for that, and that was buy the $3000 GRN deal he (and his network) gets another $1000 on.
But here is where Jonathan was somewhat candid and open (feeling bad, Jonathan?)
He said:
“All you need to look at in this industry is
1. price point.
2. product
3. comp plan
4. marketing system”
Completely agree! But Gatorbyte’s point was that you mask these things to the public until it is too late. That is trickery, by another name. (As GRN’s system is too, if you ask me, and I think I explained that.)
Now take those 4 things and apply them to MaxGXL.
Go ahead: link DEEEEEEEeeee…LETED!
Peace.
The whole free-market economy is a reverse funnel system if you ask me. Money is just an illusion. Resources are much more important. The US should get their economy back on track or the whole world will suffer. The US are becoming nothing more than a nation of mercenaries. The whole thing is on the point of collapse. Am I ranting, maybe, but there is some truth in what I’m saying to be sure.
Bozo.
After I payed my 50$ and saw the info on Ty’s website I googled and googled until I found the link to this page. It saved me a lot of money since I won’t go to the next level of this “stinking thing”
Alby
Ponzi was not the first man to have a pyramid scheme, the first man was the owner of the first bank, several thousand years ago, and pyramid schemes are not illegle, all banks use them.
For example, one dollar is legal currency, but it is really a bill, it is a bill for one dollars worth of gold.
However the banks know that nobody is going to come in and collect their gold with their dollar bills, so they are legaly allowed to offer up to 9 times the amount of gold they have, so 9 dollars to every dollar worth of gold.
If everyone comes in to collect their gold, which is the real currency, all the banks would go bankrupt, however nobody ever does, that is why most nations are in debt, because they spend money they do not have, paper dollars go down in value because they are no longer worth the gold they represent.
SCAM!!!!!!!! My instincts told me this before i got here! . THere is No such thing as a free lunch But this dinner costs $50 and you dont even get a starter! here is a question! are ther ANY legitamite ways to make any money anywhere on the internet? probably not!
I tried out the Reverse Funnel System, and apparently did not do my research prior…. I paid the $50 for more information, and quickly found out that I would have to pay another $3000 to be able to make “big bucks” with the company. In the “application” that you have to fill out before they will “select” you to participate, there is a section where Ty Coughlin (if he is a real person) talks about the ideals of “paying-it-forward.” He talks about how he was helped to get where he is in business, and the person who helped him made him promise to help others when he was wealthy. On the application, he asks the applicant to promise to do the same. My complaint is, if he really believes in those ideals, and if he wants to help the average person succeed, then why make the cost of doing business out of a lot of people’s grasp? I don’t have $3000 laying around to invest in something that may or may not work. If I did, I wouldn’t be on ther internet looking for something to make my life better!!! Also, on the web-site, he guarantees that you will make money, or he will give you triple your $50 back, he is that convinced that it will work. If he is that sure, why not make it easier for someone to join? So now, I am convinced that Ty Coughlin is full of crap. I emailed “him” and got no reponse to my questions. It seems that “he” has no ideals at all. I called to get my money back, and found a few dead ends. I did some research and found a phone number for Jennifer Sylvester, and she was very nice and very helpful. According to her, they would refund the money I had invested to this point. Also, for anyone’s information, the parent company of Dynamic Marketing Alliance, LLC has a poor Better Business Bureau rating (www.search.bbb.org). I would recommend people staying away from this company. If not, I hope you have better luck than I did.
A pyramid scheme is defined as an unsustainable business model where the majority of the revenue comes from acquiring new entrants. The business model is destined to fail and approximately 87% of the people involved will not recover their initial investment. Clearly Jonathan and crew are either among the 13% earning money OR are desperately trying to be.
Here is the one statistic I would like to see: What percentage of the revenue comes from people looking for travel memberships vs. the percentage of people looking for a business opportunity?
Jonathan, If you are such a fan of DATA, you will have no problem approximating the percentage of people that purchased the membership and didn’t intend on recruiting new members. If it is under 50%, then the RFS IS OFFICIALLY A PYRAMID SCHEME.
I keep reading that, “It is a REAL PRODUCT with REAL VALUE.” This is irrelevant if the RFS is predominantly selling a business opportunity and not the product. The product is an attempt to make your business seem legitimate and mask your real revenue stream.
I enjoyed stopping by and reading the posts again, they have gone downhill since the last time I was here.
The only people that get scammed are the ones that scam themselves. Desperation is a No-Brainer fail.
Everyone would be rich if you could plug into a system and make all that money.
There are however those people that are insistent that they are going to make big bucks online. I happen to be one of those people.
I have seen how the “professionals” extract cash from the flock and continue to do it time and time again.
They really do give value with most the information that they sell, but you will find that the majority of people trying to make it online are just to lazy to do it.(some people are leaders, most are followers)
If you research about marketing and business on the web, you will find every piece of information that you need to be successful.(FOR FREE)
When I started my Auto Business in 1988 I had a used car dealer that was always bashing me because I had a few cars for sale that we would get from Impound.
He would show up with a camcorder yelling that he was going to turn me into the state for selling cars without a dealers license.
Well the conclusion to this short story is, I am a Bonded Dealer, still in business 20 years later. He went out of business 19 Years ago.
My point is that You should spend your time on your business and quit worrying about everyone else, because when I worry about me and you worry about me, I can only succeed faster.
To Your Success,
Dirk
Over the years, here in southern California, I have come to see literally hundreds of these “job offers” come across my eyes. The one consistent thing that I’ve found in all of them is that THEY (the employer) are coming to ME (the potential employee) almost begging me to take a high paying, no skills needed, “job” with them. Now it may sound simple, but my father, and grandfather, always taught me that if something sounds too good to be true, straight up, IT IS, and I have found this to be true 100% of the time.
So, with that said, let me ask one question. When was the last time you received a phone call or legitimate email from MTV begging you to take one of their top paying jobs? For that matter, when was the last time you got a call from any dream job company (Touchstone, Rolling Stone Magazine, MTV, etc) just offering you a high paying, no work or experience necessary, position?
I call this the height of decadence and greed, and it’s destroying our great country.
Reverse Funnel Pyramid lazy fuck assholes! Get the fuck out of my country. You don’t deserve to be here.
HEY FOLKS! I JUST MADE $1.9 TRILLION!!!! IN A LITTLE LESS THAN A WEEK!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!
…no
guess i’ll get a real job…that actually pays me!
Now that it’s been several months now that this RFS scam has been around I hope we can just lay this to rest and file it under – Ponzi. Come on folks, open your eyes and use your common sense. I’ve been the Internet Manager for several large Auto dealerships between Miami, FL and New Jersey and have a ton of experience with interenet marketting and the power of persuation, who do you think knows more about marketing tham the Billion dollar auto industry? They spend $1 billion alone in yearly advertising. Please save your money and take it from me, it’s a scam. Period.
Dude, First off The Reverse Funnel System isn’t even a business. It is a Marketing Platform. In laymans term: its a way to advertise an internet business. In this case it is used to market the online Business Opportunity and vacation package Global Resorts Network. Definition of a Pyramid Scam is when you pass money upwards and there is no product or service being paid for. Just about all MLM businesses will represent a pyramid in their compensation plan, but as long as you are purchasing a product or service it is 100% legit.
I think I figured it all out! There is a way to get rich quick!…start your own Ponzi scheme!There are tons of them around these days showing you exactly how to do it. Be smart. Set yourself up at the top of the pyramid like old Ty here. Come up with a catchy name like Money Flow Masters. (I just came up with that, you can use it if you like.) Then build a website where new users can sign on. Build a small infrastructure that hosts web sites for the new signups. Instruct them how to build their own sites to lure in people. There you go…walaaa! You are a rich internet Ponzi master.
Now here is the part they usually screw up. Take the money and run!!! Get the hell outa dodge before the lawyers find you. Don’t attempt to try and create a real company from your new money. Stash it in offshore accounts and disappear! I’m so excited I’m going to start working on my site now…See all u suckers soon!
I recently was in RFS. On their site they have a triple your money back guarentee, (only for the 50.00) you paid for the survey. First off 299.99 a month for a back office? thats just stupid…. Second I closed my account, had one paid lead and never got paid the 35.00 for it, never got my triple refund for my 50.00. Third i’ve sent countless emails with zero responce. This is one of the biggest scams imo on the net today.
Wow! How do you do it, Gator? How do you attract so many commenters who write comments longer than the original post? If you have a RFS that sells that secret, I’m in!
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The key identifiers of a pyramid scheme include the following:
* A highly excited sales pitch.
* A reassurance that it is not, in fact, a pyramid scheme, possibly with a false account of what a pyramid scheme is.
* Little to no information offered about the company unless an investor purchases the products and becomes a participant.
* Vaguely phrased promises of limitless income potential.
* No product, or a product being sold at a price ridiculously in excess of its real market value, or a product with minimal or unrealistic market potential. As with the company, the product is vaguely described.
* An income stream that chiefly depends on the commissions earned by enrolling new members or the purchase by members of products for their own use rather than sales to customers who are not participants in the scheme.
* A tendency for only the early investors/joiners to make any real income.
* Assurances that it is perfectly legal to participate.
* The insistence they are not here to pressure you but merely to guide you.
* The idea that there are no bosses, only coaches and mentors.
Who are you people? If your product is so important, tell us what it is, and tell us what terms you want! By doing so you dispel all doubt! Can you imagine any business pitch that doesn’t involve disclosing the product or service? Can you imagine a publicly traded company that use as its business model this degree of obfuscation? You can’t, because they’d have an SEC subpoena before 10 AM!
These posts critical of MLM marketing schemes are like MSNBC and Yahoo! articles critical of specific companies: a sock mob of shareholders comes out of the woodwork to pump the price. With MLM it’s a sock mob of shills and marks claiming to be “entrepreneurs”, full of self-help and light on cash and brains.
Self-Proclaimed Entrepreneur: “People are two negativ! Those who kan, do, those who kan’t, critisize!”
Me: “Hey, wanna buy some of my $20 naked Countrywide calls? Not many people know about the potential in this! This is a high-payoff opportunity!”
Entrepreneur: “Wut’s a ca–Did you say opportunitee?”
It sounds to me like two products are involved: first, some timeshare/vacation packages, which apparently can be sold without the aegis of RFS; second and more important, referral (i.e., sucker-intake) sites. To sell both the shills and marks spend $300/month to access RFS’s database.
There’s a reason you don’t see major websites carry ads for these MLM schemes. To all you wannabe entrepreneurs out there, don’t be dupes and stooges: use that time and money start a real company with a real product.
It is simply internet marketing. The thing is all the information that rfs is trying to get you to cough up your money for is all readily available on the internet for free. I personally would just become an affiliate for GNR and skip the middle man and his claims of amazing marketing training. Free ads and spam emails are NOT the way to make a legitimate income on the internet. Simply market your websites and ads to people who will be interested in GNR in the first place. If you market properly you CAN make thousands of dollars per month within a couple of months of advertising on the internet. But to keep this income stable you must be willing to put in the work…. and of course market a good product to those that would be interested in it. I could go on forever but this page already has lol… if you want to research.. spend some time researching internet marketing and not some company that supposedly does the hard work for you. Sales needs a common sense approach and buying into a system that supposedly is too good to be true is not using common sense. Have a great day and happy selling and researching
ps… not to be a smartass but there’s one thing that has sold well since the beginning of time and there is plenty of room on the internet for another marketing affiliate selling that “thing” and I suggest maybe starting in marketing adult websites if you want to make a fast buck. GOOD LUCK!
Wow! I’ve just spent the last hour of my life reading half of these posts. I probably read the first 40 or 50 and then skipped down to the bottom. I was on Yahoo! Hot Jobs seeing what was out there, then suddenly a link, a brief introduction to “The Reverse Funnel System,” and a quick google search to see what was up, and now, I don’t ever get to have that hour back. But, I’m not knocking this thread, not at all. The psychology of this whole thing is somewhat interesting though. The thing that stood out the most, and I don’t know if this has been mentioned beyond those first 50 or so posts, is that most, not all, but most of the positive posts have a “copied and pasted” feel. Perfect punctuation, grammar, spelling…etc. Of everything I’ve read here, it just seems that scheme is a better description than scam. And it’s all about psychology. I do believe that it is possible to have some type of success in any type of these “schemes,” but probably as possible, regardless of how hard you work at it, as going to Vegas, and winning enough money to pay for your trip. I hope the psychology part of that last sentence makes sense to someone interested in getting involved in one of these “schemes.” However, if you have a BUNCH of close friends or relatives with at least $3000-$5000 to burn, and you know that they will buy what you have to buy, then…MAYBE give this a shot. Just don’t ever go-for-broke on any of this stuff. Okay, I have to get back to looking for a REAL job, so I can get enough money together to start a REAL business of my own.
I’ve read all of the post and many of you bring up some very valid points. The truth is some people need supervision and some are true go getters. Making money is hard so I say if you need to be in a JOB atmosphere to feel comfort then find a local job b/c online is no place for you. If any of you are business owners and want to save money then check out my sight at (link duh-leted) I’m not recruiting people for employment, I am an employer of a company that can save you money and generate new local or online business!!
People all you have to do is file an online complaint with the FTC and they will take care of this pyramid scammer. The more complaints they get the faster they will take care of him.
Rule #1: NEVER waste your time on anything that tries to hook you without fully explaining exactly what it does upfront. Why would they hide this information? To get you to buy their crap without realizing its a scam ahead of time. As far as the guarantee…a guarantee is only as good as the scammer. If big con artists like Don Lapre and others don’t honor their guarantees how can you expect this small time cheeseball to? I’d say he will soon be joining the other crooks on the Rip-Off report. I agree with the other guy, file a complaint with the FTC.
Ok ok, now I’ve read everyones thoughts and love the debate. So what I’ve done is I’ve paid $50 to “join” and my next step as everyone know is to become a platinum member (cost $3194)
I am going to do this because I figure why not – it will end the debate in my mind and I will see if I do make money (or if I lose my $3,000)(I mean dont get me wrong it is worrying) and if i do lose it well hey I’m only 20 I’ve got plenty of time to make more and lets face it – it will be a good life lesson.
So I will let everyone know how I go and whether it’s worth the investment. (or not)
But good on everybody for having their say and “being open” (hehehe) to others.
Lots of Love
Maddison =o)
As suggested by a few, I have THOROUGHLY investigated this opportunity; even got CHASED by a lady, who begged me for over a month to get involved on her team. SHE PROMISED TO MAKE SURE I MAKE MONEY.
Right! Sorry, I wasn’t born yesterday. This all LOOKS wonderful on the surface, but I’ll keep my 3 grand in MY pocket, on this one.
I know a few people who DID invest ‘over’ 4000.00 into this, over a few months, and did NOT make one single dime. They did
Tks for putting this post up.
I got a call from the UK about this (I live in Asia), and it certainly sounded too good to be true.
If you let your greed run ahead of your common sense, you’re gonna be looking at a whole world of hurt…
Take this with as much confidence as you feel it deserves, but I work as an attorney for a state Attorney General’s Office. Our office, along with 5 other state’s A.G. Offices, is preparing fraud indictments for many major and some minor players in this “system.” The indictments on the small players are being used to scare away would be participants, while the major players can expect some significant penalties. Although I am not free to disclose details, I will say that it is our A.G.’s Office, as well as the state court’s opinion, that this activity is illegal and as such all participants are indictable, much like the owners and users of NAPSTER. The FBI has been lax on Internet fraud since 9/11 due to a focus on terrorism and several other state A.G. offices are starting investigations. You might also expect a class action suit against the major players if we actually get convictions. Beware and stay tuned.
Reverse Funnel even the name sounds fishy, I’ve been looking at these types of adds for a while now and I am yet to see one that actually offered anything that could be described as a value added product.
Just an endless series of ads with lots of pictures of expensive cars, houses and people jumping for joy telling me to send them $50 and I will get all the money I need. Seriously how can any one believe this rubbish.
I thought you actually had to produce some sort of goods or services to make money, I guess I am just old fashioned that way.
“I thought you actually had to produce some sort of goods or services to make money, I guess I am just old fashioned that way.”
Yeah, you do. That’s the difference between an illegal pyramid and a legal one, is whether the last guy to get in can make money just by selling product and not being *forced* to market the “Business Opportunity” and make other people “get in” who don’t really want to.
I got into amway a while back, I can’t sell for sh*t but found one couple who likes the vitamins enough that they buy every month. $8/mo profit! whoo-hoo. If I was actually a good salesman I could probably make some money at it but bah, I’d rather fix computers
If I were earning $35′000 a week i wouldn’t spend my time trying to tell convince people of something they are never going to accept; everyone, apart from the fools- blinded by their hope- that have already signed up for it, see this for what it is: a scam.
QUOTE “There’s so much hype about this new bullshit money making scam going around. I could be wrong on this but as far as I can see this is nothing more than a glorified pyramid scam” UNQUOTE.
Amway is a pyramid scheme and so is Herbal Life, yet I know a married couple in Amway that earns $550,000 a year and a couple in Herbal Life earning $400,000 a year. Pyramids are what you make of them and both of these couples work very hard. Pyramids are NOT the lazy man’s way to riches and there is nothing inheriantly wrong with pyramids.
When you buy anything there is a retailer, distributor and manufacturer. They all take a chunk of profit. Pyramids are not really all that much different and they let people start businesses. If pyramids do not work for you then you must be too lazy to work. Simple as that.
QUOTE The $50.00 to find out what the product is” is the SCAM. How many $50.00 do they get ??? This is what they are all about. The rest is all smoke and mirrors to divert attention fron their real intention, AND THATS TO GET YOUR $50.00. I think anyone with legal knowledge will point out that it’s the $50.00 that is ILLEGAL, not the RFS.UNQUOTE
$35 of the $50 flows to anyone who convinces anyone to pay the $50. It is also to cover the cost of the information packet. The real money is in the $1000 commissions paid two levels deep. The $50 is one meal in a fine restaurant, almost NOTHING.
QUOTE – Go look at the Global Resorts website…It too hardly even explains what is being offered. They basically tell you, pay $3,000 and you can go anywhere you want for 7 nights, as much as you like…Hmmmm somehow I don’t think that’s all there is to it. UNQUOTE
You have it all wrong. The $2995 lifetime membership fee gets you huge discounts on travel to thousands of first class resorts. All you can eat.
QUOTE: RFS might be okay for those for who have a steady bugdet UNQUOTE
NEWS FLASH – ALL business ventures require capital. If you do not have the money then the business is not for you. Or any business.
QUOTE: I don’t think it would be an easy task making a go of this but maybe it isn’t as difficult as it may appear by some of the skeptics on this board. Who by the way have brought nothing of value to this discussion but negative dialogue with their narrow-minded dogma and lack of supporting research. Bashing is always easy when you don’t really know what you’re talking about, no? UNQUOTE
As an 11 year avid veteran of many message boards, I can firmly state that a rather nasty habit of human beings in general, is that they love to bash that which they obviously do not understand. The cart before the horse syndrome.
Too many people put fingers to keyboard without even knowing what they are talking about. This system works very well if you work hard at it. Just like anything.
QUOTE: My complaint is, if he really believes in those ideals, and if he wants to help the average person succeed, then why make the cost of doing business out of a lot of people’s grasp? UNQUOTE
Two thousand out of each $3000 gets paid as commissions. Lower the price and there would be much smaller commissions.
$3000 is almost nothing for a business opportunity that pays $2000 commissions. Lets get real.
QUOTE: Who are you people? If your product is so important, tell us what it is, and tell us what terms you want! By doing so you dispel all doubt!UNQUOTE
I have read the entire thread. It has been stated at least eight times that the “product” is a lifetime membership to Global Resorts Network. They offer vacation packages at 5,000 top resorts around the globe at discounts of about 65 percent. Can you read?
I’m curious on how Maddison’s experience was. If you are there, please follow up.
After years of hearing about people who lost money on MLMs like Amway and travel matrixes I was very distrustfull of this type of marketing. However I did some research and found that state and federal governments recognize the difference between legal and illegal business and that there is a wide variety of different products offered by legitimate companies. Avon, Arbon, Tuperware and Mona-Vie are just a few of the real companies out there that can offer a driven individual the ability to build a good income. One of the acid tests you can apply to any of these types of business is the value of the product. Does the newest “distributor” actualy purchase a product of real value? Can it be sold for a profit? Will the company buy it back at full value? Another important question is does the company’s compensation plan require a large purchase to “qualify” for commissions or bonus money. Do you have to buy a lot to become a distributor? If you end up with a closet full of stuff that no one wants or your “product” is only on paper, you cant send back for a full refund or you have to spend hundreds of dollars a month to get paid then I would do more research before becoming involved with that company. Even after years of watching a friend of mine make a very good and I mean VERY GOOD living with a company called ETI I still did not think it was a good investment of my time or money even though the products were quite good. Late last year year he swithched to a different company which was just starting and convinced me to give it a try. If you buy the $100.00 kit you become a “distributor” and you get $140.00 worth of stuff. The quality is high and I figuered what the hell. I have two jobs that take almost all of my time so I thought I was just helping a friend out by buying his stuff. What happened next was a suprise. So far I have recieved about twice what I put in dollar for dollar. Some people I have “sponsored” make about twice what I make and some people they sponsored make about twice that. Of course not everyone will do that well that fast but many people make several hundred a month with the company and its not hard to do even with a regular woork load. So I am very happy with my MLM expierance. The old adage “buyer beware” applies here as everywhere else. Do the research, do the math and make wise choices with your money. Anyone interested in the company I am involved with can shoot me an e-mail at kitester@aol.com. I will be happy to send you the name.
All I want to know is if it makes so much money, why would they share, if all you needed was a website then why not create a lot of them and then have the sites redirected to your own site. Why charge people to learn…. If it makes a lot then they wouldn’t need your money to start you on the right track. Would you pay a computer repairman just for telling you how their going to fix your computer… or would you expect the computer to be working before they are satisfied with your money…, but RFS gets our hard earned money as soon as we fall for the nice person in them trying to help and all that does for us is we lose and they win. If a company or business is so great they wouldn’t have to hide anything they could tell you all of it up front.
I have done stuff like this before that’s why we live and we learn, but we shouldn’t get burned more than once on this pathetic and heartless “business” that will never make an average person money because the average person doesn’t want to lose the amount they want you to invest.
To the people who are sticking up for RFS are the people in denial who are still losing money, but they want other people to think that they are making big bucks, it’s nothing but a lie, plain and simple if your on bottom you’re not making any money.
Its a bad person turning the unsuspecting into bad poeple, who then prey on the unsuspecting!
Remember one thing my fury headed friends, nothing is free in life. Right that down, not even sex.
To the person who smelled “shit”, I am getting a “whiff”, too. The real sad part of the story is that this kind of program is self perpetuating. People get involved and spend large sums of money and see little in return. In desperation, they attempt to tell 1/2 truths to others in order to make any money at all! They become something they probably hated to begin with. Going way back to Jonathan, when he finally came “clean”, he was really referring to the necessity to tell 1/2 truths, because the full truth does not sell! Non sales types tend to tell the full truth, and they NEVER make it. “If at first you don’t succeed, lie, lie, again.” And so it goes.
If I wanted to purchase something from Global Resorts Network, then why wouldn’t I just go to their website and do it? Why the hell would I need thousands of lazy morons sitting at home on their macs trying to redirect me to the Global Resorts Networks site? Sounds like a pathetic ripoff scam if ever I’ve heard of one!
This thing is a scam no matter how many shills come out of the woodwork. Go do some research on Don Lapre and his greatest vitamin in the world scam. Pay and fee and sink thousands of dollars into Lapre’s pocket to get a website and advertise his vitamins.
I think what galls me the most is that there are real people, trying to make the best out of hard times. At a time where gas prices are exorbidant, food prices are rising, foreclosings are going through the roof, consumer confidence is dropping almost as fast as the value of the American dollar, and a government proving it cares less and less about those who put them in power, the vultures come out of the woodwork. Playing on the very real concerns of people is abhorrent, but it’s also a fact of life in a freemarket system. A sucker is born any minute. I confess, I am one of those grasping at straws for some get-rich-quick scheme in the hope of not losing my home and car, and working literally around the clock with little to show for it makes one take a gander at why someone would state such a grand claim. Times are hard, and I don’t think I am the only one struggling out there, looking for an answer. I really thought we were past the time where charlatans would steal their grandmothers’ last nickel. Playing hardworking, honest, but slightly desperate Americans for fools is despicable.
Russell in Phoenix,
You are so right. I see it every day. People are in such a bind many will jump at a thinly disguised “lotto ticket” with the hope of a big win. It is sad that there are people out there who will take advantage of this desperation. I recently met a man who was having very hard times. I showed him the business I am involved with and GAVE him one of each of the six things the company sells and showed him how to use them. He called me the next day asking for more because he had a sale. I sold it to him at cost and he made $18.00. The next day he used the products to provide a service to two customers who were happy to pay $30.00 each. As much as I like making money and using this company’s products for myself, it made me feel absolutely great that I could help someone. These guys share the “distributor first” philosophy because they have been there and they know how hard it can be in the trenches. Over and over again they say that their first goal is to get as many people as possible making at least a few hundred dollars a month. That can be a big difference for many in these hard times. The products are not free and there is work involved but, the pay off is real and for those who really want to make a difference in their lives this could be what they are looking for. I wish you the best of luck in your search for a real viable alternative. If you want to look at this company or you have any questions about them I will be happy to send you the link. E-mail me…. kitester@aol.com.
I was on the point of giving over my card details when I thought that I should perhaps google RFS first, and boy am I glad I did!
I needed to be told:
‘IT’S A SCAM, STUPID!’
I’ve fallen for these useless schemes before, if you are thinking of throwing your money away on this, please take the advise of an old fool and DON’T! You will lose your money and even worse, waste your precious time.
Thanks Gator Byte – great thread.
I can categorically inform you that this IS a scam. I was suckered into parting with $50, and in return, received a plague of emails encouraging me to part with the $2995, without giving me enough information on the product which was to be sold. I originally found a link to this BS on facebook. DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH THIS SYSTEM. You WILL get burned. It doesnt work, and it doesnt pay. The only person who makes money out of this is that b*stard Ty Coughlin! Oh and one other thing, the 100% concrete money back guarantee on your $50??? IT DOESNT EXIST. IVE BEEN ASKING FOR MINE BACK FOR MONTHS!!
A young male in my family came to me asking about the credibilty of this “Reverse Funnel System” he was interested in investing for the purposes of making money. Now as a trusted family member and someone with a PhD in Psychology, ofcourse I recognized the maladies in his explanation of the system, yet I did research for him in order to put his mind at ease that this was indeed a scam. It’s really heartbreaking to see how the fundamentals of a profession I’ve come to love so much is used in such malicious ways. These scam artists deliberatly prey upon persons fears, and give them false hopes that they can help themselves and their families to a better life if they just invest some money into these ideas. Terrible. Obviously I told my young relative not to worry and to do what I did, STAY IN SCHOOL.
For those ruthless business persons still pushing the puck on this, someone doesn’t need the education I’ve obtained in order to observe several key points that raise immediate red flags:
Nearly all the “persons” who have posted “positively” for the system on here have used their full name, therefore alluding to the very plain fact that any positive post is someone trying to sell the system, and for all we know “johnathan budd” himself using multiple identities.
Secondly, Johnathan and his “supporter” army keep using this one seemingly important point, “do your research, and you’ll find that all of those that are opposed to the system are not involved in it”. This statement implies that those outside the system are biased against it. Umm.. John, doesn’t that also apply to the opposing side? All of the “positive” video campaigns I’ve seen have been from people who are using the RFS. Pardon me if this makes me laugh, but pointing out that each person is bias to their own situation is not proof of sincerity.
Yet another one of Johnnathan’s “oh-so-clever” points talk about people outside the system, who are bashing it, having no proof whatsoever in the form of numbers or figures and that THIS mere fact is enough evidence that you should “try out the system for yourself and then talk”. Im sorry John, but absence of “proof” does not mean absence of truth. Further more, I have yet to see actual proof of your product.
Also, if these persons using the RFS were NOT dependant upon suckering niave lay persons who just want to do right by their families, why would they campaign so hard? If I were making 7 figures on my own, why would I CARE if other people thought my ideas were ridiculous? Unless ofcourse my wealth is DEPEDENT upon their belief in my system.
Yea John, people can choose to believe me and miss out on such a great “business opportunity”, but when they chose to believe my logic, their hard earned money stays in their pockets, yet if they chose you’re route, they’re out 8k. Somehow I think we can all live with that
I just hope you can.
Im happy to see people have come to understand this scam well, and my heart goes out to those who have been fooled, yet I know they are stronger and wiser for that.
Thanks everyone.
Sincerely,
Dr. Rosario
Dr. Rosario,
Its good to see that there is a level head or two still left as the economic noose begins to tighten around the collective neck of the average joe. It’s the same pressure that brings these thieves out in number. The old lure of “easy money” leading to a life of luxury will always play on the hearts and minds of people who find themselves in debt. There are huge numbers of people who see savings slipping away, homes on the brink of foreclosure, and property at risk of repossession. But there are important differences between scams and true valuable opportunities that scams try to mimic. One of the true acid tests of any of these businesses is if some real effort is needed to generate an income. Another test is what YOU actually receive in return for your hard earned dollar. If a “business opportunity” Says that all you have to do is sign up and watch the money roll in then it’s not a real business. If you give them money and receive only a “manual” or paperwork telling you how to convince others to give money then it’s illegal and should be avoided. Any real business or opportunity will require that you devote some real time and effort to it. You don’t get something for nothing. And nearly all REAL business that operates with a multi-level or direct sales plan will have a real product with real value. Can people fail in these businesses? Of course! It’s just like any other business. In fact many will. Most small business fail within the first year. But many will succeed. Thousands of people make a good living with mlm or direct marketing plan companies. The best examples of these types of business are strong, well recognized names like Mary Kay, Arbon, Tupperware. They have withstood the test of time and close examination by legal agencies over and over again. There are some newer less well-known companies that also offer high quality products. Noni, and Mona-Vie are health foods, Pre-Paid Legal and IAB sell services or insurance. Ultraluster is a new cleaning product. So there is a wide range of opportunity out there to choose from. you have to decide what best fits your needs. Just remember to do your research and be willing to work because nothing is free (or even easy).
Paul
P.S. To anyone interested I will send you the web page of the one that works for me.
I’ve been around the block a few times, and when I heard an ad on the radio this morning for this “business”, I knew immediately that it was a scam. Unfortunately, too many people need to get burned once (sometimes twice) before they learn some of life’s tough lessons. I know that I did years and years ago.
I’m reminded of the saying,
“Good judgement comes from experience;
experience comes from bad judgement.”
What amazes me is the constant shape-shifting that occurs in the marketplace as thieves conspire to steal our money. You’ve got to give them credit for creativity, although at best their schemes are thinly veiled for those who take the time to thoroughly investigate them.
I found this thread in a real difficult search trying to get objective information about a related scheme at buyerfunnelsystem.com which appears to be an analog aimed at people trying to sell their homes without realtors. The claim that they find “real” buyers for you. I smelled a rat and didn’t even fill out the application, so I don’t know what the app fee is. The real red flag was that the website had no offer or page to get “real” buyers to become prequalified, i.e. there aren’t any!!! Search efforts only led to thousands of their ads on craigslist and other legit sites around the country. With some real work I found this thread and really have appreciated all the contributions.
Ciao, David
Hi.. i am from new zealand and have been doing research on Global Resorts Network. I am convinced at this point that GRN is a great product and provides a great service. During my investigation the RFS always seemed to crop up somewhere along the line and i was having a hard time trying to track down exactly what it entails, hence via this thread i have found the answer. I would like to thank gatorbyte for providing a place where everyone gets to voice their opinions on the RFS, and secondly i thank everyone who has made a contribution to this thread (both positive and negative)it has all been interesting reading. I have come to the conclusion that RFS is definitely not for me, but GRN is. Now.. i just need to find the right mentor!
This Johnathan Budd guy has gotta be the most annoying irratating self obsessed individual I have ever came across.
After reading his posts on here where he has constantly pumped up RFS…
Alas Now I have found this video on you tube where he is calling the RFS system a SCAM and that he only makes 20,000 a month . I mean please if anyone is making that kinda money from an online business , they should be doing cartwheels.
This is obviously a little bit of reverse physchology at play here !!
He says stay away from this at all costs….but if you read between the lines he is still pumping it up in his own twisted way.
I just have to say thank you everyone for your input on here, especially the people that have parted with the initial $50. This is not for me.
Hmm…if the end product is resort time shares, why do they aggressively market the sale of the system? Because this is ALL about the SYSTEM and the time shares is just a cover so they can throw people off by claiming they have a real, tangible product.
I’m sure this will all catch up with Budd when he scams the wrong person.
(Specifically to “Paul”)
You mentioned a few “direct sales” businesses ( Mary Kay, Arbon, Tupperware, healthfood products etc) citing how successful and trustworthy their intentions are, using the idea of “time tested” as proof of their strength. You are also using those examples as implications that the RFS is much like these other businessess, and that the RFS is somehow no different than any business that sells a product in terms of success and failure.
I must say, please use more logic when attempting to create paralleled “evidence” for the sincerity of the RFS. The point of the evidence being parallel is that it is more similar than different from what you are trying to build a case for.
My entire point would be that the direct sales businessess you mentioned like Mary Kay and such are products that people genuinely need and use daily. Citing a health food sale product business as a parellel to the RFS is borderline ridiculous. In no way can the sales of much need beauty products and FOOD, be compared to the sales success of….Time Share packages? Beauty products are bought by the largest spending demographic in economic history, females ages 18-25, and it is expanding. Beauty products are pretty much an essential trillion dollar market—it’s not going anywhere so ofcourse the business is stable. By the way, food is pretty essential as well. But time share selling? or whatever it is RFS “claims” to sell (because I have yet to hear from anyone who has actually bought a product through this RFS), is not an essential product and in no way can be compared to the success of the formentioned businessess.
Also, you briefly alluded to persons “impatience” or “unwillingness to do work”. I have a PhD in Clinical Psychology, requiring many years of study and practical training, I think I know what hard work is and it’s a shame you need to resort to blaming other persons “inabilities” in order to keep the blame from simply being that the RFS is a scam.
Please STAY IN SCHOOL everyone.
Sincerely,
Dr. Rosario
Dr. Rosario,
I guess you did not understand what I was saying but it seems we are on the same side of the issue. Concerning the “RFS” it would appear that there is little to offer the regular consumer. I would (and did) question the value of such a “business”. I want something real for my money. I would need to really dive in and study what they have before I sent them any funds. For me that is a moot point because I am happy with what I am doing. It is not “RFS” or GRN. It is MLM.
Also I went back and reread my posts and you clearly need to reread them as well before you accuse me things that are simply not in the posts I placed. Perhaps you read someone else’s post and thought it was mine?
Your message to stay in school is sound advice. Nothing bad comes from more education. However there are businesses out there that do offer good opportunities to people who may or may not have have years of advanced education. I know more than a few people who do quite well quite well with only a few years of collage, a high school diploma or less.
In the future please read carefully what a person posts and remember that it impossible to see body language or hear inflection on the Internet. Often people read their own emotions and feelings into the typed word. If someone is angry, upset or closed minded they tend to color what they read with their own current state of mind. It would be better to ask questions and clarify a point you may not understand. This probably explains the popularity of emoticons used on the Internet in forums and on blogs.
I hope this post finds you well and that it will be read with a fair and open mind. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Paul
I see my last comments never made the blog. I guess when someone speaks the truth and tells the whole story about GRN, it doesn’t make your comments section. Too bad you edit out the truth.
Well Joel, even the link on your name just goes to that idiot beach bum bullshit so how much ‘truth’ could there be in your post? I looked for your previous comment but I guess the spam filter dumped it already.
Okay, let’s try this one. Everyone seems to think there is no product. I paid for a lifetime membership, that was by the way about 18,000.00 less then a timeshare contract, and I can vacation at 5-star resorts anywhere in the world, as often as I like, for 298.00 per week. That’s right, 298.00 per week. Most of these resorts charge that much per night. Check it out yourself.
Try the link I have added now, and it will take you to the actual product page and opportunity being promoted. Yes, I am making enough money to be happy, travel as often as I like, and not have to work. Life is great. No, I am not making millions, but I am making enough to be comfortable without having to do the 9-5 grind. I spend about 6 hours per week total marketing my business, and the rest is taking care of itself.
The “reverse funnel system” is simply a marketing tool front-end to the main system that helps automate the process for you. The reverse funnel system is NOT the product, but rather the tool. You can certainly market the product without the reverse funnel system, and many do so successfully. I chose to use the “beach bum” approach with the reverse funnel system, because once I spent about 6 months marketing it, it is a self-sustaining system that I rarely have to touch.
No, none of this is a get-rich-quick business. It IS a business, and it DOES require TIME and EFFORT to build the business to a self-sustainable point. Some do it in a few weeks, some take a year or longer. I took about 6 months.
Now, you can slam and slander programs all you like, but you should be “informed” before you do so. Otherwise, your words are no better then the screen you type them on. I appreciate your efforts to provide an open forum, and I know that managing this forum is no easy task. However, I do wish you would get the facts before you slam something that in fact is very legitimate.
Best regards to all.
Joel
But GRN isn’t the product being marketed in most cases. RFS is being promoted as a “get rich quick/retire early/do nothing and make a fortune” type of business. The beach bum crap doesn’t even mention GRN, it’s like a whole bait & switch thing.
“Give me $50 to prove you’re interested in making money with no effort.”
“Thanks for the $50, now if you want to make money you give me another $3,000 for GRN membership, plus monthly fees for website and advertising, and then work your ass off to try and break even. Good luck and good bye!”
So far the RFS has been a good source of income for me, and worked pretty well… it just needs a bit of effort.
Is there a reason links aren’t allowed in messages? You ask for website links, but I don’t see where it is made available for people to check out for themselves. Instead, they are at the mercy of slamming from people that have a one-sided opinion.
Thanks,
Joel
Cool, it shows up. Thanks!
I just hope it stays there so people can do their own due diligence on the legitimate business that you are so quick to slam.
When it asks for a link, it links your name, so if someone clicks on Joel it will go to the website you typed in. I don’t allow links in the posts because of too many spammers and whiners. Read back to the posts by Greg and Rich for an example. So once again, no links in comments, they will be deleted.
Another interesting “tool” of the trade is available here as well. If you are involved in MLM in any way shape or form, you should check out the newest marketing system.
Thanks for the forum!
I love Gators!
Its actually quite funny how long this scam/earning opportunity has lasted as most scams last less than 1 year before the creator shuts down the website and relaxes on the money that has been earned from the scam itself from the idiots who got involved so I say goodbye and lol
One of the top earners that run the ”RFS” system earns an average of $800,000 a month with adsense using blackhat tactics.
I personally contacted him to leak some ideas so i can atleast create an e-book product around it but, he refuses to share. Well i did it the hardway by reversing engineer he how he does it and found he was targeting $80 per click with perfect execution and link dumping without google raising an eyebrow.
i.e $80 per click multiplied by 30,000 visitors per day on just one of his websites out of a 100 others or probably more on one of his portfolios for adsense alone. HE WANTS TO START SOMETHING SIMILAR OR PROBABLY MORE ADVANCED THAN ”RFS”. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT OPEN YOUR WALLET.
With a person like that on the same MLM Network, even some gurus will throw in the towel much less people who are clueless.
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I just made $4000 from reading this blog, after which I closed my browser, which netted me another $4000.
My wife just called me. Another $4000 for answering the phone.
And then when I woke up, I realized I was still at my job, working for real money. You people trying to hype up these schemes should realize your time would be better spent working forty hours a week at a McDonald’s, while reading a financial help book at night.
Keep earning your $18,000 doll hairs a day though.
I just started hearing the radio ad’s in Atlanta and it’s mid-August 2008. Imagine my surprise to know that the first post on this site was October 2007 and it’s been pretty active. I’ve decided not to pursue this opportunity because the radio ad gives the impression of “Money for nothing” and i know there ain’t no such thing.
I am not saying that the Reverse Funnel System is a scam, though on the other hand, I don’t know what I am doing wrong.
I became involved with the Reverse Funnel System in February 2008 when I responded to an ad in an employment website which offered an opportunity to work from home.
I admit I was enticed by the large sums of money the various RFS websites claimed people were making. However, I also went into it with completely realistic expectations of the amount of time, effort and money I would have to devote to the system to make it work for me (there is no such thing as sitting around making money from your couch in your pyjamas, and anyone that believes that is a fool!).
I work in advertising and have a degree in Marketing. I love sales, I love the internet, I am not scared of throwing myself into something new, I liked the idea of operating the Reverse Funnel System as my own business, I had a bit of savings so could afford the $3000 start up cost, so all the ingredients seemed right.
The timing was perfect for me as well. February marked the start of a 3 month career break, so I knew I could devote as much time as I wanted to get this off the ground (all day every day if needed, instead of trying to fit in time after work!).
Although the sponsor was very persaiive, as you can see, no hard-sell was needed on me to join up. I don’t do things by halves – once I decided to do something, I am the sort of person who throws myself into it 100% with a bullet-proof positive attitude to ensure I achieve my goal. To this end, I:
- met weekly with my sponsor (via skype) to plan my online advertising activities for the following week, including budget, website advertising activities, etc.
- did a TONNE of research on the best websites to advertise on, ranking them in a spreadsheet according to Alexia rankings. I did all this research before spending a single dollar. It encompassed high traffic ‘Work at Home’ websites, business opportunity websites, and hundreds of free and paid advertising websites.
- Advertised on these websites using RFS supplied banners, though with my background in advertising, I was able to photoshop my own very professional photoshop banners.
- I downloaded EVERY training call, listened to each call, and incorporated whatever tips and advice offered into what I was doing.
- I did email campaigns.
- In addition to using my RFS campaign websites, I even hosted my own website.
- I followed up on every single lead.
In other words, I did everything exactly as I was told to do in the training, and a lot more.
It is now six months down the track, and I have still yet to make my first sale, or even a paid lead. I wont tell you how many thousands of dollars I have spent or how many hundreds of hours of personal time I have devoted. I am not used to giving up, however my money has run out, and have to admit to myself that I have to walk away from the RFS.
A few other gripes:
The Bizbuilder site I pay hundreds of dollars a month to use does not work properly. I am actually receiving another poor sod’s leads (I am getting leads for campaigns which I did not pay for). I have reported this but it hasn’t stopped.
The training does not offer very much practical advice. Most of the training is centred on ‘Don’t say you can’t do it, because using the RFS is the same as deciding to pick up a pencil, you either pick it up, or you don’t pick it up, there is no half-way’. Often during the live calls, when RFS members who seem to be struggling try to share their stories, they are often interrupted (and silenced) with this or similar analogies.
For me, I have no choice but to consider the lost time and money as the price of an education. I don’t necessarily believe the RFS is a scam, though after six months of learning and trying to use it, I have learnt that this system is not for me.
It sure is a Scam, If there is no product either Tangible or not. But a whole lot of people get sucked in and some do make money. its the ones joining later that struggle and loose out
RFS IS THE MOST ADVANCED SCAM I’VE EVER COME ACROSS.
I READ ON A FORUM THAT THEY HIRED A $600 AN HOUR LAWYER.
What an informative site. I almost lost my $50. Has anyone heard of MOR Vacations in relations with RFS?.
Response to Chuck Finn
Chuck, I am sorry to hear you have not had any success. Actually, I have had more success marketing the Global Resorts Network with my direct link, and not through the RFS. Unfortunately, the RFS was a great “idea” that someone had to help automate the prospecting side of the business, but as you say, it doesn’t work well. In additon, the RFS has become so overly saturated on the internet, that people are sick of seeing it and never bother to click on the links to check it out.
I have advertised successfully on Google AdWords using “Timeshare” as a primary adword. I use my direct GRN link to send prospect to. The GRN website gives people a complete overview of Global Resorts Network without hyping BS about easy money. Personally, I joined GRN to use the travel benefeits that can not be touched anywhere else in the world. I can spend a week at a luxury resort in almost any location in the world for 299 to 799 per week. Show me where else you can do that! The business side was secondary to the travel opportunities.
I own two weeks of a timeshare already at the second most requested resort in the world, but when I want to go somewhere else, it is a hassle to trade weeks etc. I also do not get more then my two weeks, so if I want to go more often (and I spend over 20 weeks a year in resorts), I am forced to pay full or discounted prices. With GRN, I can travel as often as I like, wherever I like, with no restrictions, no blackout dates, and no limitations on how often I use the resorts. It is like owning a 52 week timeshare usage for less then 3000.00.
Good luck in your future, and if you ever want to discuss GRN again, feel free to contact me.
Best regards,
Joel
Not bad when considering that these earners new what they were doing before launching the RFS. WHAT A SCAM.
I considered buying the platinum package through RFS, and in doing my pre-purchase research, found this page, fortunately, before I paid the 3+g’s. I won’t be buying the package because I don’t have the funds or time to invest in the follow-on advertising and marketing efforts required. I guess it is human nature to get emotional about the program you invested in…I’ve seen it in this string numerous times. But the successful investor doesn’t make emotional investments. You have to run the numbers, do nessesary financial forecasts and make your go / no-go decision based on the return on investment, both of time and money. And for me the reverse funnel system isn’t worth my effort. I’m glad its working for some people. For them it’s a gold mine, because they put in the right kind of effort. For others, its a scam because it walks like a scam and quacks like a scam. In this case, it seems the RFS is a vaguely explained and way overpriced marketing tool with a very poor return on investment. For me it just looks like an extreemly high priced duck that I’m not in the market for.
Wow, I’m actually a bit scared to leave a comment with the amount of abuse thats being hurled around on here.
Anyway here goes.
I just want to be clear and honest about my own experience.
I saw an ad for RFS 8 months ago on a job site. I was looking to buy a business and realised that I would have to spend $35,000 + to buy any type of business.
I started the RFS process and saw the $50 fee. It didn’t worry me as it was stated that it was fully refundable if I decided at any point the opportunity was not for me (to this day I refund $50 payments to those that ask). I felt I had nothing to lose.
Only after seeing the full information I realised this was an amazing opportunity and after being in Sales for many years I decided to go for it. Failure is also not in my vocabulary.
I had no cash to start so used my visa and was extremely anxious my first few weeks as this was money I had borrowed from the bank.
My team leader was crap.I was promised to be given places to advertise which I was not and my team leader refused to let me know her places, eventhough she made $1,000 for every sale I made. This was crazy in my opinion.
I was on my own.
I did the training then went to work and did what Ty said “place 3-5 ads a day” (which I still do to this day). It was also very clear that I would need some advertising money of around $2,000 to start when I went through the process so I knew what I needed to do.
Within 48 hours I had made my first sale. It was a qualifying sale so I made no money from this.
I have consistantly make 1.3 sales a week of my own since the day I joined (not including team sales which I make $1,000 from also). I spend about $200 a week on advertising to help myself and my team.
The first thing I do when my team members have paid for their membership is give them a list of all the places I have generated $50 leads or sales from so they can duplicate what I do. I help them place their first ad and show them the types of ads I place.
There is no excuse for them to fail. They are in exactly the same position as I am.
I have a few team members who are excelling, why? Because they do the work! This is not a get rich quick scheme.
Those that dont get results dont because 1. They are not doing the work 2. They are not duplicating what I do.
My worst week was $1,000 and my best week was $7,000. I am more than happy with this.
I know of no other business that you can start maing $1,000 a week from day one with very little overheads.
The GRN membership is $3095. This is a lifetime membership and a one off payment which you are buying into discounted accommodation at 4 and 5 start resorts around the world (5,000 of them). Wow. I did not buy into it for the product but will be using it very soon.
The $299 a month for my RFS system is nothing. I have a dance studio with a website that costs me $60 a month alone just in hosting. Plus I had to add the content etc and still do.
I work RFS 10-20 hours a week.
Not one of my team will complain, if anything they apologise to me for being slack. They know it works, I am living proof and I did it with no help or experience. Not one of them has ever regretted joining, even those who have dropped off. They were just not prepared to do the work required and they know it.
Like Jonathan said there are some support issues with RFS and yes I agree the price of the RFS needs to come down. However mine hasnt cost me a dime as I make $35 for every person who pays $50 that does not request a refund. This has over and above paid my $299 a month.
I personally call every $50 lead that pays my system too. Most dont ask for a refund because they realise the admin, my time and my toll calls cost me money.
I am very honest with all my new members when they join. I tell them the pros and cons and yes I’ve lost sales as some people think its not for them.
If I place 3-5 ads a day I will find that for every 25 I will find one that has generated me a $50 lead or a sale. For every 3-4 $50 leads I make a sale. 99.9% of people only dont join if they dont have the cash to start.
I am building my advertising portfolio and it is definately easier now because I have a nice list of places that constantly get me and my team results. This is the key. Build your advertising portfolio!
I will tell you the main thing that hacks me off about this business is those team members who expect me to do all the work and they sit on their butts waiting for new advertising places from me. I work harder than the lot of them.
I love RFS and am slowly becoming one of the success stories.
You do however need a strong team and a team leader who will support you. I get my satisfaction from helping my team and seeing them get results.
It ires me when people blame others or RFS if they have not succeeded. It’s up to you at the end of the day to make the business work. And it does work! I just feel sorry for those who didn’t have good team leaders (I am one of them) and gave up. There were many times that I felt the same.
It took me 3 months before I started making money (paying myself), this is expected. I had to pay back my visa and advertising costs but now I have a team, I make money from there sales too so it does take time. You just need to be patient.
I know a bit about Jonathan through the team calls and so forth and he is an amazing, ethical, passionate human being. None of us like being told our business is a scam especially when we are legitimately in this not only to change our own lives but to help others.
Remember RFS and GRN are not associated, One is the product and one is the marketing system. There are other marketing systems out there for GRN which are less expensive that people can choose to use. But guess what, they dont’work as well! I use RFS because it gets me results and takes the convincing people and cold calling etc out of the equation. I only ever speak to people who are already interested in looking at a home business.
I have tried other home businesses and failed miserably, just like Ty did. Thats why he created RFS. The old model does not work anymore.
Out of all the home businesses I have seen, and I did my research, I think this is one of the best. I am just glad I found it and have been able to use it as a vehicle to achieve my own personal goals.
I wish all of you out there looking for home businesses all the best. And yes, do be careful.
Take care.
Amanda High
Just a final note. At the end of the day for the people like myself who have made good money from this business it has been a great experience. Anything is what you make of it.
To the poor lady who has not made a sale in 6 months I would be geting onto your team leader. There is something you are doing wrong. Its impossible not to have had any results in this amount of time.
And for those that say Ty is not real, well I have spoken to him on a number of occasions personally so he most definately is real. Fantastic guy too.
I too tested Reverse Funnel, and believe it has it pros and cons, like most anything else.
I think one of the systems flaws is that
they give everyone the same page to promote,
so I created my own system and made money
by giving people the info they wanted on the
RFS. You’ll find many top marketers doing that
as well.
I also believe that if they cut the monthly system fee in half, and found a way to offer
0% down financing on the travel membership, it would be a lot easier for many to get involved.
I was lucky enough to find such a way to do so, and encourage all who are wanting something similar to visit:
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You’ll get full details on this travel membership, that for a limited time has a
price tag of more than half off of the
RFS’s global resorts membership, and offers
more resorts within the USA for those who
are now wanting more opportunity to have locations closer to home.
Wishing everyone the best!
Kim Ward
I’m not a proponent of pyramid marketing; I’m still in the research phase of this particular opportunity but I have to seriously disagree with the “it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck” analogy: take the merganser for instance… it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck but isn’t a duck. Not everything is as it seems…. I’ll let you know more after I make the decision on going forward or stepping back from RFS.
I actually think that everyone having the same site is a good thing because I have found that the more people out there working the business gives new people more confidence in the programme. I have had alot of people come back to me because they are seeing it out there more so they realise we are here for the long term. But there are always a couple of angles of looking at it. Diversity is always good.
As far as they way it is hyped up, funnily enough it works. I think Ty has put alot of time and effort into the best way to market to the target people we need to make the business work. All my team members are the right type of people. I think people are smart enough to realise the marketing is just that and once they get past the sales hype they actually see how amazing this business is.
Like anything you sell you need to get people excited about the benefits before giving the price etc. Especially when you are wanting them to part with alot of money.
Thanks for your comments guys.
I thought I had skimmed thru every scam out there (the most recent being “Monavie”). When I FIRST saw this RFS I did not make the obvious parallel to the upside down funnel. But “people” did ring alarms.
My take on ALL of these? I am a programmer, unemployed and own several domains. WHY can’t it be ME that thinks of these first? So I AM at the top!
Hate to say, being unemployed and with the economy, my ethics are beginning to take a backseat to my finances…
Anyone up for any ideas? LOL!
Gin
Hey guys, it’s intresting to see the vibrant argument and conversation flow about the rfs.
I heard some internet hacker duped them lately
TO AMANDA:
I certainly wish you were in my upline, as I get NOTHING for support or advice. I would LOVE to hear from you and any advice you could offer. I have had some success, but I know it there is more to offer. My primary reason for joining was for the travel benefits which I use frequently, but I also would like to benefit from some of the income.
Thanks!
Joel
Hey All,
I think The Funnel definately works, but the problem with the funnel is that people after they pay the $50 dollars and find out about the product Global Resorts Network they start to research. This is where the funnel falls down, I know this, as I was one of the people that paid the $50and then I wanted to know more about Global resorts of course.
Very few people will pay that amount of money and not research and that is when the funnel loses all those leads to other marketers like me and many others that know this and target pre sold minded people.
The “Real Person” the human intervention is needed to make people stay in the funnel to speak to and to answer any questions they have.
The Funnel is great but it falls at the point of lacking the real person and that needs to be there as support to help the new marketer.
So many leads come from this hole in the funnel and people like me have tapped into that market and that is why I love the funnel as it creates so many pre sold minded leads for me its not funny.
Believe it or not I think the economy is making more people look at alternative means of making money so home busineeses are thriving now. My business is the busiest it has ever been. One reason why I joined RFS too.
Nobody in his or her right mind would give into this RFS guys by year’s end. It’s beginning to saturate
I remember the first time I heard Ty Copughlin’s radio spot. “Uh…is thing thing turned on?” It sounded like a radio talk show was starting, with a new host. As soon as I heard him babble about how his “students” are getting so rich, and now they are getting ready to accept a new group of “students”, the red flags were already flying high.
I went to the website and saw the photo of some douchebag sitting with his laptop relaxing in Hawaii. Another red flag goes up.
Then the form “applying” for consideration as a student for a $50, with no other information. Another red flag.
You only have to use common sense to know right there this is just another load of BS. Give us your money, SUCKER!!!
This ty coughlin guy is some super guru and from what i heard from another forum, he’s planning to release a new pyrammind scheme. I mean common, he started the lli(liberty league international) in which he was also the top earner
Wow, he must be a swell guy! He’s also formed other schemes to sucker money out of people? Wow, what a great guy! He’s way kewl!!!
Yeah I read through all of this…
Two things I find amazing.
1. If you look at any of the websites for this RFS, you will see “Ty Coughlin” has a tradmark on it owned by Dynamic Marketing Alliance LLC. How do you trademark your name? Does anyone really believe that this guys exists?
2. All of the post here that praise RFS seem to be written by the same person. They have the same structure and most times are signed off in the same manner, some form of “Wishing everyone the best”. Come on at least be more creative. They are thinly veiled at best if you take the time to actually read them. Personally, I think it’s the same person trying to make those on the fence jump to the dark side.
If it weren’t sad about the people gettting screwed over by this, it would be comical.
The reverse funnel system is a scam. They don’t deliver what they promise and you’re out your hard earned money. They will also call you on the phone repeatedly and sell your phone number to other BS companies who will call you daily trying to push BS scams on you, even on a cell phone. Avoid TY and his cronies at all costs.
In reply to Joel,
Yes I understand there are many RFS team leaders out there who are not supportive of their team. I have a team leader who has not helped me either.
No home business is going to work if you don’t have the support and the drive to be successful.
Failure was not an option for me and I did whatever work I needed to, to make it work. I did it with no help and worked my butt off in the beginning.
In the last 3 days I have made 4 of my own sales which equals $4,000.
If this does not work, then why am I able to make so much money?
I work very hard. I spend 20 hours a week on the business and I lead by example with my team.
My team are very happy because I give them all the support they need. I am constantly advertising and marketing and spending 30% of my earnings on advertising to help my team.
A home business will only work if you treat it like a real business, be honest with the people you bring on board including telling them the highs and lows.
I place 3-5 ads a day religiously. This is how I have been successful.
I have not one negative thing to say about RFS as it has been a life changing experience for me. I love the work, I love the system and I enjoy helping others to become successful.
If this was a scam it would have been shut down months ago. The commerce commissions around the world are well aware of RFS.
The only time I have seen people get negative about this is if it has not worked for them. It only does not work if you don’t do the work or don’t duplicate what the successful people are doing.
I have a few team members who have not been successful with RFS. They have apologised to me! Because they did not do what they needed to do to make it work. You have to be honest with yourself at the end of the day.
I give my team every resource I use, if they choose not to do the work or not to duplicate what I do then of course they will not succeed. We are all in the same position once I have given them everything I use.
It is working for me because I am honest, ethical and I work hard at the business.
At the end of the day if people want to work from home then they need to find a system that is right for them. RFS has been a fantastic tool for me.
I have tried many other home businesses and failed! Finally I found one that works! I take my hat off to Ty for creating such an amazing system. I have personally spoken to him and joined mainly because of his integrity and his “pay it forward” phylosophy.
Most of all I am helping people change their lives for the better.
If you think RFS is a scam then go elsewhere. I am living proof it works so what else can I say? How can I be negative about it? I can’t!
I wish everyone all the best with their endeavours. Find a system that is right for you
Amanda
P.S As far as us calling our members. I only call my $50 leads and I do not try and sell them other scams or business opportunities and don’t pester them constantly. I don’t sell this to people. They make their own informed decision after speaking to me. If anything I am honest and tell them the truth about what is involved and the negatives of the business. Every business has negatives. I’m just honest. Just ask if you have any concerns.
Man! it seems like some poeple do not even know how to nuture their leads. I’ve got about 45,000 non targeted leads, and i’m looking to create a white hat site to pitch
It’s sad that this site’s forum allows you to type for 10 minutes and hit “Submit Comment” only to lose it in hyper-space.
Let’s do this again and shorten it somewhat since this system can’t seem to post a comment easily on the first attempt.
AMANDA (and anyone else interested),
The Reverse Funnel System is a FRONT-END MARKETING SYSTEM ONLY. It has earned a BAD RAP from the internet, and it is NOT viable any longer as a legitimate program.
I have begun marketing the PRODUCT direct, and having a nice success doing so. I am marketing the Global Resorts Network travel program and have many happy customers and business opportunity seekers as well.
After spending over 4000.00 marketing the REVERSE FUNNEL SYSTEM, I received only ONE PAID 50.00 lead, and I refunded him the 50.00 as I do NOT agree with the 50.00 fee in the first place.
I DO enjoy the Global Resorts Network. I am a paid platinum member and I use the PRODUCT regularly as I travel extensively.
You do NOT have to be a network marketer to be a member of Global Resorts Network. If you love to travel and stay at five-star resorts for a fraction of what others pay, then it is a bargain to be a member of this program.
At the same time, IF (read that again, IF) you are interested in building a nice residual home business, then you MAY be interested in marketing the product as well.
I am retired military and president of my own brick-and-mortar business, but I travel extensively and enjoy staying in five-star resorts that range from 68.00 PER WEEK to 799.00 PER WEEK for luxury accommodations. I don’t have to worry about timeshare annual maintenance fees, black-out dates, restrictions, redeemable certificates, or any other loopholes or hoops to jump through.
I don’t need to sell anything to anyone. I share the information with colleagues and friends, run a few ads on the internet and share the PRODUCT INFO and program. For those interested in the membership to Global Resorts Network for the travel benefits, that’s wonderful. For those that want to market the program to others and make a nice income from home (or their hotel room LOL), that’s great too.
Anyone that wants to know more can click the DIRECT link on my name and see the actual PRODUCT and program WITHOUT going through the Reverse Funnel System. You can explore the product, the opportunity, and the benefits yourself. If you are not interested, that’s okay with me.
I am willing to share my experiences with you, assist you in making an informed decision, and help you where I can to market the PRODUCT if you want to do so. Life is short and we all must make decisions that are right for our own circumstances. Most people looking to make money from home are looking to do so with no initial investment. I am fortunate enough to be able to afford the initial cost of this program, and again, I purchased into the program to USE THE PRODUCT. The marketing of the program was secondary and always will be.
Someone else on here said that we all sign off the same way and that it must be the same person. LOL
Well, I can’t always be creative in my signoffs without wishing you all the best life has to offer, but I’ll certainly try just for that one SKEPTICAL individual (by the way, by email address is up there if you want to know if I am a real person)…..so, just for you and your desire for creative signoffs….
TOODLEY DOO AND MONEY TOO!!!! LOL
Joel
Well you see Joel, if I didn’t have comments set to moderate, they would all show up instantly. Along with a few dozen spams, every day. So have a little patience, if you’re not spamming it will show up within a few hours.
Okay GatorByte, I guess I won’t vist this forum any longer. I don’t have a problem with posts being “moderated” so you are filled with spam, but if you are going to delete any references to research material that can help PROVE these programs are legitimate and let your readers decide for themselves, then you are no better then the Nazis and Communist that have “controlled” and “manipulated” the minds of people for decades.
I don’t expect this post to ever appear un-edited either.
I also understand your policy of not including html links in posts, but again, how can someone disprove your propaganda if you don’t allow links to places that people can go to and make their own informed decisions? You rant and rave about this being a “Scam,” but you don’t allow references to disprove your claims, so why should any of us waste our time on your site any longer when the only opinion that matters is yours?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Now that is a question and a post that will probably never appear here!
Good luck controlling people’s minds.
Just looking at the homepage of Ty Coughlin’s RFS system should be shooting red flags up all over. The former beach bum, I mean construction worker, er, actually a guy who has been deep into the MLM promotion business already, sitting with his laptop and his drink, just makin’ money! LOTs of it! Woo Hoo! Sure, at ~$4,050 from suckers buying into the pyramid, I mean Reverse Funnel, I’ll bet the system works just fine for Ty and his pals.
There was a post above that stated why do you need RFS to sell GRN (or anything else)? The answer is you don’t.
Ty Coughlin is such an irritating tool on his radio ads; that alone is enough warning to avoid this type of convoluted bullshit. At the end of the day, they are just spammers, popup pushers, and glorified Rickrollers.
@Joel
Why would I edit that post? You’re entitled to your opinion and you’re entitled to put a link on your name, which you have been doing all along.
Sure, the “program” may be legal and isn’t a complete “scam”, but the method that most people get sucked into it surely IS a scam. It promises full automation and that you can get rich without lifting a finger. One of the few ‘honest’ people here seems to be Amanda who admits that it’s hard work and that she helps the people in her team.
When it all comes down to it though, these are just words on the internet, who knows if anyone is telling the truth?
You know though, for all your claims of it not being a scam, even YOU don’t promote the RFS, you say you’ve gone around that and gone direct to the source. So tell me, why do you bother to defend the RFS? I’ve never said that GRN is a scam, it’s RFS that I have a problem with.
Have you bothered to read much of what other people have written here? The people defending it have said a lot more than the people against it. Lo and behold, the posts are intact for the world to see.
I agreed with Amanda way back when, and even I posted about how hard of an effort it was to market the RFS. However, since I have been MORE successful NOT using RFS, I have decided to market Global Resorts International Direct and NOT through RFS.
The Post I was referring to had a link in the post itself, and I assume that is why it was deleted and not allowed to appear here.
Research links can provide people with the resources they need to investigate online programs, but since you only allow ONE link attached to a person’s name, they will need to post countless times to provide the links needed to do their own due diligence.
I have set up a site exactly for that very purpose now. The link is embedded in my name for this post, wgs2000 is the website. With a dot (c o m) after it (but you will probably delete this too since I am putting it in the message text). LOL
This new site will be a collaborative effort for anyone that wants to get involved in researching and sharing money-making opportunities. I currently have three opportunities listed on the site that are actually producing income and are paying as advertised. One has a free trial period for people to try it out to see if they are interested.
I am hoping to build a community of interested individuals that can share their links and opportunities after being properly researched and verified as income producing opportunities without being fluff and puff.
Good luck to all of you!
Joel
I’m really stoked, man because I am one of Ty Coughlin’s original students he talks about in his radio spot. I’m making so much money I can’t count it fast enough. I lounge in my beach chair with a drink, like Ty does, except that I don’t have the laptop. I don’t even look at it anymore because I don’t need to. I spent the money to get started. Ty’s group set up the website, and the money just POURS in! I don’t do anything but watch my bank acct grow.
Ty is such a righteous dude, man, because he is doing this to help people. He was just a beach bum, you know, catching the waves and the rays until one day while surfing he came up with the idea of the RFS. He could make millions of people rich if they would just buy into RFS.
So I tell everybody now. If you want lots of money and your computer does all the work, check out the RFS!
Wow, I’m really convinced now! What a great guy Ty is, he just wants to help people! I am no longer hesitant. I want to join the team right away now!
The only question I have is how much money to put in to start. I know the number is $4,000, but if I give Ty $8,000 will he make me twice as rich? Rich in half the usual time? Now I’m confused again!
I think for his gift to humanity Ty should get the Nobel Prize. What a wonderful man he is! Doing all this just to help people!
Ok now y’all are just getting silly.
It’s all in fun, gator! BTW I looked over your website and read the story about your business.
The best of luck to you and may you continue to do well!
I was interested in the RFS. I spent the $50 to get the info. I don’t want to get jipped out of $3500 + what ever else fees applies to all of this. I mean I don’t care who you are that’s a lot of money to put down on something that might not even work.
I’ve been reading for quit a while now about this system… about 3 hours straight. I’m 21 yrs old I have about 6k in the bank and me being pretty much broke spending $3,500 sounds like a VERY risky idea. I don’t want a 9-5 job, I don’t want a boss. I want to do my own thing BUT at this cost $3,500 + marketing? = $5k + and a chance to earn nothing is too big of a risk to take right now.
Andrew:
You are absolutely correct. It is a BIG risk, but only if you don’t intend to market your business with all your heart and soul.
As with any business, it takes effort to make it work. I am doing well with GRN, but not through the RFS. I found people are much more attracted to the vacation club when they can go direct to the souce for all of the details without having to pay up front for the details. The 50.00 that RFS charges up front I have never agreed with, and I have issued a refund to everyone that signed up under me and paid the 50.00. RFS intends that to be another income stream from people that pay it and never proceed. As I said, I don’t agree. Therefore, I no longer market the RFS, but only the Global Resorts Network direct links.
There are literally uncountable people around the world that travel all the time, and tapping into that market is much easier then I ever dreamed. I use a combination of adwords on search engine sites and pay a per-click rate for my ads. Targeting specific content-based groups works the best, with the most interest coming from those content providers that target travelers and timeshare prospects.
Puchasing a GRN membership is like buying a timeshare, but without any of the annual fees, blackout dates, or restrictions on frequency of use. With a GRN membership, you can book any week of the year at five-star resorts around the world for a fraction of the normal cost. There are no certificates to redeem, no restrictions, no blackouts, and no limit to how often you can book a week like there is with timeshare ownership.
And the membership price is a fraction of what you would pay for a one-week timeshare.
If you ever want to discuss this more with me, please click my name for a link to my website, and from there, you can send me a message via the feedback link. I’ll email my full name and telephone number where you can reach me.
Good luck Andrew. You sound like a smart young man with insights into what you want to do with your future. Don’t let any online program suck you in without all due diligence, as you already know.
Best regards to you!
Joel
Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble…I know Ty Coughlin personally, and even though he is quite personable and persuasive, RFS is a complete pyramid scam. When you get drunk with Ty, the truth comes out and then if he likes you he’ll actually put you in his inner sanctum, meaning you can rip off other people without having to pay a fee. But truth be told, only the absolute blind and stupid could ever fall for such an obvious pyramid scheme. It is absolutely the same scheme as quixtar and all these other useless, hopelessly stupid scams that prey on innocence and naivete, destroying peoples lives by the thousands. Aloha from Hawaii, home of Ty Coughlin, America’s greatest ripoff artist.
Joel,
I want to BUY several of your vacations.
I am a successful travel agent with 16yrs experience and over 13000 vacation packages sold. I work 60 -80 hrs a week researching travel packages and resorts worldwide + I have 2 recruiting agents who travel to resorts around the world to negotiate deals and packages with the individual owners.
As a vacation planner, I sell vacations worldwide and I must say your prices seem….Too good to be true!?
As a professional and seasoned travel broker, I know exactly what people are looking for, especially clarity of FACTS.
TOP REQUESTS FROM TRAVELER DOING BUSINESS WITH ME.
-Travel Destinations (all available)
-Names and Addresses of the resorts, as well as reviews and corporate information. (Due diligence)
-Broker/Agent registration numbers and corporate information about vacation reseller.
-Telephone numbers and physical addresses of the ACTUAL resorts. (So hey can call and check up)
-Full, detailed vacation schedule, with all dates and times confirmed and guaranteed.
If you can provide all this, I can sell 1000-1500 vacations for you EVERY year.
Wanna do business, prove GRN is for real?
I talking 3Mil minimum…
Put your product where your mouth is.
– email info forwarded to Joel, feel free to send me a small commission if a deal is arranged =)
– gator
LOL, Gator wants a comission? But you claim its a scam, so how could you get a comission? Just yanking your chain.
Alexandre, (now I know your name)
I responded to your email in detail, and will expect a call from you in the next day or two to give you all of the information you have requested.
Maybe you will be kind enough to post a simple (yep, Joel’s telling the truth.) statment once you have the information. At least you have the decency to ask for information before blasting it before knowing.
I think in your business, you will be pleasantly surprised.
Look forward to our talk.
Anyone else? I’m here to help, and I don’t want your money either. Questions answered free.
Joel
Ah but you can’t blame me for trying. And as I said before, I believe the scam is in the way that RFS is marketed, not in GRN itself.
I trust one system…If they don’t provide a physical address and contact details then think a bit more…
And @ Me on February 10th, 2008 10:03 pm : (and finally the guy at the top (Ty whatever) deserves to spend some time in jail, where he would soon find himself in the bottom of the sex pyramid…)
I’m still laughin’!
Thank you all on this web site.. I have just reveiwed the RFS system and had many questions that were unanswered throughout my research. What is the product? who am I selling to, etc….well you all have answered the what if’s and so on. And so to conclude I have just saved myself not only $50, but potentially more….I would rather eat KD for a very long time and find out through that process what works best then to actually go hungry by spending out money that i won’t ever see agian.
KD or $$$$ KD or $$$$$
KD,,,,it’s cheeper and i got full belly
I was looking at joining On-Line Mastery with Johnathan Budd but after running into this I have my doubts for one the cost associated with it. Can anyone please tell me where I can find a marking system that just teaches you how to market an MLM business. I found an awesome business afetr being on-line for 5 yrs and am finally seeing some success but it is being done the old fashion way – Direct Selling. I am trying to learn how to take it to the next level or should i say create my own leads but have been nothing but SCAMMED for about 5 yrs. Can someone honestly point me in the right direction?
Thank you so much!
Phillip Mihalakis
Rfs and scam abduction, someone needs to make them refund all of thier victims
I am reading these posts and it appears there are a lot of people with a lot to say and little in the area of actually doing anything..
I have never bought this, HOWEVER, I did one marketing campaign with a guy who DID buy this.
And I made $3000. All I did was give him my list of 40,000 people.
We split the $6000 in profits from 6 sales.
We actually had 8 sales, but two did chargebacks.
And the $50 application fee is brilliant in that it gets rid of the freebie loosers and only singles out those actually WILLING to lay down money..
So, I have no complaints about reverse funnel. Never joined and I even made $3000 from it..
So maybe a few of your tire kickers should quit kicking and maybe give your email list to one who HAS bought it and tell him to split his profits with you 50/50..
But, guess what? You are a tire kicker.. So, I am guessing you will not even lift one finger to even try what I just suggested, which means you are the one who screws yourself..
I actually intend TOMORROW to call this Jonathan and see if he will strike a deal with me on my expanded list to see if I can make another $3000..
Sincerely
Tony
Listen the RFS is just a system to sell Global Resorts Network. The RFS takes tens of thousands of hits a day to get results. It preys on laziness and usually is followed by major buyers remorse.
It is a shame because GRN is a top notch direct sales business. The product is rock solid, the company itself is above board, and the product has tremendous value. Yes other knock offs have come out but GRN is still the grand daddy of them all.
Unfortunately many come into GRN the wrong way via the RFS. We actually teach people how to market this amazing GRN business simply. We use the grn system and YES shocking the phone. We can teach anyone how to do it. Feel free to watch the youtube video in my sig.
GRN is great just make sure you do your due diligence and figure out whether the RFS is all its cracked up to be or whether your better off learning real world sales tactics to earn $1000 per sale.
Chris
Wow my head hurts reading all tis crap lol….. come on folks, get out there and buy real products and make real money without hurting each other. Work hard and yes you will make a nice living. Stop searching for quick money. WAKE UP lol
Has anyone checked out his latest?, i mean ty coughlin’s latest, man! it’s a new and improved scam that’ll make the IRS themselves say enough is enough
I have read many of the comments here and it’s surprising to see so many people who simply have not gone through the RFS site or bothered to understand what it is. There is never a business or front end system that is right for everyone, but RFS is a system to market Global Resorts Network. GRN is an extremely reputable company and the product is of huge value to the consumer. Not everyone who is a GRN affiliate uses the RFS system- it’s attractive to some, but not others.
However, the whole pyramid thing and calling it a scam is unfortunately just folks who are not uninformed giving an opinion instead of understanding what it is. Again, RFS may not be for everyone, but Global Resorts Network is one of the top online businesses there is on the net. I’m an affiliate of Global Resorts, however I did not join through the RFS (Reverse Funnel System). Our team uses different marketing methods.
Here’s a quick funny story about my experience with Multi level marketing about 10yrs ago. I used to work in a bank and a guy came in posing as a loan applicant. After a couple of minutes about asking about a loan, he hit me up with “how’d you like to make ten times what you’re making”. He wouldnt tell me how, but he handed me an audio tape, told me to listen to it, then gave me his card and told him to call him. Well, I listened to the tape, and it was some multi level marketing sales pitch about selling water softening systems or something. I just through the tape aside, and forgot about it. The guy came back in a few days later and asked me to join his MLM. I thanked him for wasting my time and politely declined. Then he wanted his tape back. I didnt have it on me, and they guy was going nuts saying thats his only tape and he needs it. He kept coming in to the bank every few days demanding his tape. Finally he pissed me off so much I told him to come in tomorrow I’d have his tape. That night I took the tape, fast forwarded about 5 minutes into the 30minute tape, then recorded over it with hardcore porn sounds from the Spice Channel. Sure enough, he came in the next day and I gave him his tape. I never saw him again, but I always wondered what happened when he gave his tape to the next person he tried this on, only to have them freak out 5 minutes into it to listen to some hard core porn. It still cracks me up thinking about it to this day.
Haha! That last post was the best one of all. I love those karmic revenge kind of things. I’ve never been that creative, though.
I think the water softeners are from Amway, whatever it’s called these days.
BTW. I’ve gone to some of the sites linked above, e.g. Jonathan’s. I am mystified. They seem to be promoting their own weird businesses. but it’s vague about what the business is. Maybe you have to be “plugged in” to know.
E.g. Jonathan’s site seems to be some kind of blogging/marketing business. It’s hard to tell. I saw no connection with GRN.
Another link is to a blog with lots of French text. Canadian marketing? I don’t know.
Anyway, it’s not important. I’m about to retire and am not chasing the buck. Not even the doe!
The best in 2009 to everyone!
This “system” won’t work because it presumes an infinite amount of product and an infinite number of customers willing and able to buy it. That’s why they focus on the “system” rather than marketing the product, and why the “system” urges you to get other people to jump on board (as opposed to buying the product).
Also beware of people who say they’ve done their “due diligence,” talk about a “proven system,” and/or say that their system is only for people who “want to succeed.” Those are buzz-phrases designed to suck you in. Some of these schemes go so far to talk about the business “virtually running itself” or being “totally automated.” Obviously, you aren’t to make oodles of cash without doing anything, so the “systems” that make those claims shouldn’t even be part of the discussion. As for the rest, ultimately, no matter how hard you work, “wanting to succeed” is useless if the “system” is designed to collapse in on itself. Any pyramid/Ponzi scheme will eventually collapse under its own weight because the number of new people coming into it must increases geometrically in order for the people above to continue making money.
It is amazing how they can saturate the web they way that they do. I have been searching for articles or blogs about the legitimacy of this system and everywhere I turn is something promoting it. One such disaster is a youtube video of a guy telling you not to sign up because he only made $35k in his first month. To anyone with common sense its obviously a ploy, but that’s not who they are targeting is it??
I agree with Bruce, its crazy how these people have saturated the web with their funnel nonsense so nobody can really tell what’s going on. Even the pro pyramid posters here all sound like advertisements for this scam. It’s no different than the Nadhoff scandal. Make it seem mysterious and exclusive and then let the fleecing begin. My stance is in the current economic climate with all the news of hoaxes and scams, if your dumb enough to give your money to these people, you get what you get
Jonathan Budd, your Impossible to get ahold of.. But They will FIND YOU!! You Ripped Me off with your 1.00 Scam, that Cost me 47.00 (2/04/09 Plus $30.00 Overdraft FEE from the Babk… So here’s my email.. I am waiting to hear from you… I want My $$. Plus The State of NY and CT will hear about this as well.
The truth might hurt some people, but things this serious must be dealt with by special authorities, i know the internet presents massive opportunities but, no one has the right to deceive people to such a degree
Someone should shut this guys down already. They’re similar to carbon copy pro and the success rate is just about the same
I love how everyone likes to get on the internet and whine about how they all got screwed in some way shape or form. I could care less if RFS works like it says its going to or not, but what are all of your true intentions? RFS may or may not have worked for people who used it, but how do we know this site isn’t as big a scam? How do we know this Gatorbite character didn’t set this site up, get a bunch of his college buddies together with no real working knowledge of the products and services offered, and just start bashing it based solely on the youtube videos? Fact is I think we are all forgetting that because of the nature of the internet, we have no idea who we are talking to. At least there are pictures and videos of the people you are dealing with on the RFS sites. This Gator poop guy doesn’t even have the common courtesy to show his face. So how do we know the information here is even real. Im not trying to defend any buisness, don’t get that twisted, but everyone involved here it seems just jumps on his bandwagon without knowing who they are talking to. I haven’t seen anyone yet show me a video where they entered into the system and failed. Sorry Gator, just seems like a bunch of talk here with no actions backing it up. Let me know when you people have something tangable because any good marketer knows documentation beats conversation any day. You got something to say against any buisness. Back it up or shut your pie hole.
Dude, I’m sitting right here in my store, 10 hours a day 6 days a week. Ya know, a real job.. doing what I love. Why would someone do a video to show they failed? They have nothing to gain by putting in that kind of effort.
They just seem to have that big a vandetta against RFS, if they hate it that bad, wouldn’t it be a good idea to beat it at its own game to prove their point? Either way, anyone getting in this system expecting it to work for them is going to fail anyway. Marketing is a job, just like your store. Any marketer with any type of experience will tell you, the buisness is not about the product you have, or even lack thereof, it’s the drive and excitement the person presenting it has. Even if the product is junk, if one of your friends came to you excited about something, wouldn’t you want to know what that something is? If you set yourself on fire, people will come from miles around to watch you burn. These systems are set up for people who are willing to learn and work. Why is this any diffrent from any other job in the world. With the right amount of determination, it can work. People need to stop being so damn lazy and realize, you can be successful in marketing as long as you are willing to put fourth the effort to make yourself that way. If you tried RFS and failed, its because it’s not set up to work for you. It is set up for you to work it. BTW sorry about the Gator poop thing. That was a little harsh. Please accept my appologies.
Well I’m glad to get a little bit of an adverse feed back about this MLM stuff i was looking into this and was having some uneasy feelings about it thanks for helping me make a wise decision a lot easier……………….
The problem with RFS is the way it’s marketed (at least early on). It was set up to make people believe that it’s completely automated and required very little effort to succeed at. People -are- lazy and they get suckered into stuff like RFS because they’re trying to make a quick buck without doing any work.
I agree that there -is- an actual product and in many ways it’s no different than me sitting here selling people games/movies/computers/whatever and making a profit at it. But when someone comes into my store they see the product up front, they see the price, they know exactly what they’re getting before they spend a single cent. I guess you could say “it’s similar but different”
The company I deal with is not that much diffrent than your store. Not only do we sell a much needed product at an awesome price, but we also show people intrested in the product how they too can make money and our buisness grows. It works for itself, but there is still work involved. MLM and RFS are two diffrent entities all together. If you have a product or service to offer and are willing to work for it, you can make a great income in MLM, however, if it sounds too good to be true, it probabally is. The best way to make money is not so much to buy low and sell high, but to insert yourself into a flowing income stream. Many shy away from MLM because it costs to get into it, but isn’t there overhead in any buisness? It is a buisness, there are costs, but they are no diffrent than any brick and mortar buisness out there and the costs of running a MLM are actually lower. MLM is a great way to make money, and alot can be made for the people willing to work it.
i received an email about a software making money on craigslist by Michael Vincent and he tells the same story and sounds the same as our friend the tire kicker Ty Coughlin how he use to deliver mail and met this rich guy,i guess this is his latest scam, now im wondering which is his real name is it Ty or is it Michael?
What I find so ironic about RFS is all of these characters so adamantly defending it. I don’t understand why anyone would go to such great trouble to ensure that people aren’t “getting the wrong message”. It seems to me that the only reason they defend their system is because they must generate new “members” in order to fuel their own wealth and a large amount of negative publicity surrounding the system would be extremely detrimental. Otherwise why bother, I mean if you really are making all this money who gives a crap if some other person thinks your system is a scam? It totally reminds of the whole Amway-Quixtar pyramid where those dudes would cut your throat if you even mentioned anything negative about their scheme. Why would anyone come up with a brilliant system to make money on the internet and then for some reason be extremely generous and share their secret with the masses? This doesn’t make any sense; if I invented the wheel I certainly wouldn’t take it to some smuck and tell him to go mass produce it and get filthy rich. This kind of thing just doesn’t happen in real life people aren’t that kind period. There is nothing brilliant about his system; he simply traded in any integrity he had in order to get rich of the unfortunate people who fall prey to this insidious scam.
I joined the reverse funnel system along time ago and found it to be a way for Tye to make a fortune. Most of the people rust lost a ton of money. The reverse funnel system promotes Global Resorts Network, which is a great company to be in. You can make a lot of money, plus have a lot of fun on there low cost vacations. With RFS you need to pay $50.00 just to see the opportunity which is GRN. then you have to pay Tye Cofflin $300.00 a month to use his website. (bad deal) I found the best way to make money with GRN is to go on the vacations and Tell people at your resort about your savings.BAM they are interested. If you are not in GRN, you can look it up.
Debates strething for two years! Incredible!
I have not seen anyone here review Jonathan with a grounded bias approach. I am not a member of his team, nor have a paid a cent for any of his training. Have any of you people writing all of these so called ‘informed’ reviews been involved with either? Have you been a part of his training or his company? I have nothing to gain by contributing here as I am not involved with GRN but have looked at a lot of his free training which personally I think has been awesome. The constant referral to ‘pyramid’ and ’scam’ will always make me laugh as I can only hope that the people who make these uninformed comments are earning more that the CEO of their current company. If you are making more than your boss or the CEO of your current company then fantastic as you are one of the few that are not trapped in a ‘pyramid’!! You know, the guy at the top making more money than all the people below. All companies are a pyramid in shape. The people at the top make more money than the average day to day worker and always will. Why is it so hard for people to understand that every corporation is a ‘pyramid’? What I love about MLM is you get paid on performance. NO you don’t get paid for just turning up because you have a college degree and a great resume. You get paid what you are worth when you PERFORM. The trouble with our economy at the moment is that we still expect to be paid a lucrative wage on our ‘credentials’ alone without guaranteeing a company that we will be productive. We want to just ‘turn up’ for work based on our credentials and yet shun any thought of being paid only on our productivity. MLM is one of the only true business models that reward people for productivity. Sorry guys, you don’t just get paid for ’showing up’. You work your ass off for a few years, you produce results and you get paid on those results for years to come. It’s not a scam to be paid for productivity. Come on guys, get of your failure soapboxes. Educate yourselves on the industry, treat it like a business you just paid a fortune to be a part of. Then educate yourself in the same way that you would any other job, hobby or interest that you were passionate about. I then dare you to come back to this forum and report why your current company is not a scam as you are suddenly making more than your CEO
I have nothing to gain from writing this as I have no URL’s or links attached to my posting. My passion is for people to research and become educated.
Well I tried it. I did not generate the 4k a month,but i did generate about 600 a month enough for me. i really never tried very hard at it. As for the 2900.00 fee i never saw it, but i guess that doesent mean its non exesisant. If you were to give this system a true 12 day 6 days a week you might make 5000.00 a month if you get lucky
Look, MLM’s are based on productivity and not your schooling.
I’ve met all kinds of people while building my business.
* Liars who say they want to make money and not depend upon their boss and when push comes to shove, they are cowards who don’t want to sell anything.
* Honest people who are humble who become great producers by walking the walk and talking the talk. (Those are few and far between).
And the most popular people of all, that I go out of my way to avoid when building my MLM business are the “I want a short cut to getting rich” kind of people. MLM simply spits those people out and slams the door faster than they can look back, and those are the kind of people who play the blame game.
The point is, with this web site right here, if you stop making blanket statements that all MLM’s are scams, and just simply put the truth on here, I would respect what the author had to say.
Jonathan Budd is not an honest person. This I can prove.
In January of 2009 I subscribed to Jonathan’s system at the suggestion of my upline sponsor of an MLM I was involved with. After a few weeks I felt the system was not for me and I wanted to cancel. Only one problem: Jonathan does not have an easy way to cancel out of his programs.
After numerous e-mails to Jonathan and his company, the matter has now been forwarded to the fraud department of my credit card company.
It is my opinion that the honest people out there do not make it difficult to unsubscribe from their programs.
With the outstanding review of this new product, i think i might get one for myself.
Anyody else?
Legitimate and ethical business is conducted by selling directly to customers or indirectly through distributors. Have you ever seen adds from Wal-Mart’s, Target, Massey’s, etc., telling people to send in $50 dollars and they would show you how to market and sell their products for them online?
I truly believe that EVERY ONE of the work at home programs, regardless as to who created them or what they consist of, that you see advertised on the internet ARE scams, pyramid programs cleverly composed to technically avoid illegality. (OK – only my opinion!) In the advertisement of these programs, the key phrase is “Learn to make money”, not something like, “Let us show you how to sell shoes, vacations, widgets, gadgets, or whatever, online.”
They ALL say that what you are buying from them is marketing techniques, but you are never told what it is that you are marketing, other than chances to make money.
If you are really selling a legitimate product or service for someone else, then that would make you a distributor, you would be actually selling these products or services to others for a commission (example: Amway, Avon, Mary Kay, etc. You would know exactly what it is that you are selling. There would be no red tape in collecting your part of the sale. With MLM’s, Affiliate Marketing, Reverse Funnel, or whatever the newest name that is used to attract victims to these scams, there is no real end product.
My hat is off to the hard working people out here on the net, that have online stores. They invest in buying real inventory, and the buyer receives a product, not a “promise” to show the buyer how to make money.
I tried RFS, it boils down to constantly recruiting instead of actually selling something. The major players move from one opportunity to another…constantly recruiting more opportunity seekers. The new one for RFS big wigs is easy button income. New name ..same game.
…and people wonder why the world,and the economy, is in the condition it’s in. You people all talk like RFS et al is alone when it comes to scams. How about the government? Huge, multi-billion dollar, corporations are ‘losing’ all of their investors money while paying out huge bonus’ from a company that is failing and the taxpayers and investors lose. The money that has been ‘lost’ has to be somewhere. It’s not lost, honest people are just getting scammed by any means possible by unscrupulous individuals that are trusted. There are so many thieves in the government that a honest person just doesn’t have a chance, no matter how hard they work and saving money seems to be just stockpiling money for someone else to steal later on.
…TRUST NO ONE !!!
I have no knowledge in marketing and not much computer literacy. You can consider me the most gullible person you have ever met and the most soft hearted.
All I had to do was turn down the volume to the podcast and scroll down the page to see how long he took to convince. (shows desperation
I have learned that if it is easy,cheap, or free, it’s WORTH having.
Finally, an honest review that tells the truth. I had to search the 5th or 6th page of google results to find this article. All the ones before were shills for RFS.
If you can’t get rich quick, you can also move abroad like I did, where you can live on a few hundred a month in foreign countries where cost of living is much lower and people are much friendlier.
I purchased a product from Budd a couple of years ago. It had the typical 30 day money back guarantee.
The content of the product was weak at best so I requested a refund.
It got ugly…I had to make several requests and read a very condescending email from the punk before he finally gave me the refund.
He thinks because he has money in his bank account he is superior.
I also have a very nice bank account and solid investments even after the economy took its toll.
However, I treat people with respect no matter who they are, what they do for a living or how much money is in their name.
A real marketer, a professional, doesn’t behave the way that I have personally witness Budd behave.
Caveat emptor! (Buyer beware!)
By the way, if you need an honest life/health insurance agent whom will look out for your best interest, please contact me. I am licensed in many states.
Thank you
Look at all of you negative people criticizing something you’re just scared of.
Instead of blasting your concerns and lame gossipical opinions, you’ll just have to try it for yourselves and see what happens.
The thing I hate most about this world are the people who are quick to panic about everything they see instead of exploring it or even just leaving it alone.
If you have nothing better to do with your lives then keep that $50 an buy your loved one dinner or something, cause you know.. That’s way better than chancing it with a “maybe” life changing step.
No one is forcing you to even go near the system, just mind your own business and let people learn by themselves.
I have no idea what the RFS is, I’ve only come across it last year, never really messed with it.
Though when I do decide to, and it DOES take my $50.. It’s not the end of the world people.
So please, try to make the world a smoother place, that’s by keeping your negativity to yourselves.
Thank you much – Tony
Love GRN
The product is fantastic and speaks for itself.
Love Jonathan Budd
I purchased several products and am very pleased. I requested a refund once and was quickly refunded with no questions asked.
Not much love for RFS
Although I do like the ease of the system, I feel it is overpriced for what you get, customer service is terrible, and my upline never returns my calls. I think the up front pitch by RFS is a bit misleading; however, the 50.00 IS refundable and Ty is very clear about what he feels the minimum start up costs are (2k-5k) and NOT to sign up if you don’t have the money or are not serious about investing money. The disclaimer is in huge print, you cannot miss it! We all need to take responsibility for our actions. No one is forcing you to sign up. So, while I am not a fan of the RFS, I do not think it is a scam. You have every opportunity to get off the page before you buy in.
This argument has been going on for 2 years now! You know what the “Reverse Funnel System” is? A Scam! Just reverse the funnel, put it on a chair, and shit on it, that’s what goes into your ass!
Those who defend this system are the ones that are in complete denial of reality, that have this hope that they too can lie on a beach chair with their laptops by the pool sipping on lemonade.
Are you kidding me? I have to pay $50 to get information on a business, and then fork over $3,000 to join this “system” AND another $300 a month to “maintain” the system, plus another $5,000 for advertising?
You know what those $50 are for? No not to weed out the tirekickers and dreamers, because the dreamers are the ones paying thousands for this system. Here’s what those $50 are for, say you have people that are interested in this system, well you invite them to take a look BUT in case you shit your pants when WE here at the great and almighty system decide to lower your pants down to your ankles and ass rape you to the tune of $3,000 + $300 Monthly + $5,000 advertising fees, we’ll still scam you out of $50 that you won’t get back. So even if decide to leave, we’ll still have gotten $50 from you!
And that’s what those $50 are for, don’t believe Jonathan Budd or any of these happy go lucky robots that tell you that you failed because you were not capable of doing business or because “The metrix or DATA of the equivalent of the scientific measurement of the business end and model of the MLM and blah blah blah and all this talk to get you dizzy.
IT DOES NOT WORK, IT’S A SCAM!! If you still decide to join these people and get ass raped even after having read all the negative things on this “System” than you DESERVE IT!
All I can say is that I took the PPC Mastery Intensive class from Jonathan Budd. I did it because of a new business in the clean tech arena that I will be launching in a couple of months. It’s not an MLM but we will leverage the internet to sell the product in the US & Canada. Jonathan does in fact reveal a grest deal of very valuable information that can be implemented immediatley. It was well worth the money and I will save thousands doing the marketing myself AND getting optimal results.
It would have taken me a long long time to figure most of this out and, btw… I have already read a book or two on the subject.
Cheers,
Gene
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Hi, I’ve just join the Global Domains international affiliate program and thought of giving this a try after finding good reviews on many legitimate sites but anyway I’ve came across this reverse funnel system on google search engine.
At first I’ve saw the Jonathan Budd RFS adverts, it looks very interesting but I did do abit more research on it and found this site and read the comments and it seem to me that this is to risky for me and decided now not to bother with it.
I recommend to anyone who thinking of joining this RFS to be very careful and read the comments here first before you make your decision and make a big mistake of spending $50 month on a scam…
Thank you all for the helpful comments. Bye!
OK, ALL of you have got to admit that Jonathan Budd is extremely good at what he does. Ripping people off with such charm is truly a hard-earned skill, although not a skill that I much admire. Maybe, since he earns so much money ‘n all, he could invest in a new shirt in which to present his smarmy videos.
What about CarbonCopyPro? SOunds like the same kind of thing. Any opinions about this one?
Tons of positive reviews – all trying to get people to join up – but they seem to sell some sort of financial services or something.
And no, I have not given them my $50.
Anyone with half a brain should realise that “Jonathon Budd” is a scam artist. If you can scam $20 from one person in one thousand you will make $1.4 million per year.
Gator, i like your example that you gave in the last in your article. Really i like it.
Yogesh